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In this picture of below the transom on my new to me '85 E35-III.....

1911tex

Sustaining Member
there are 7 through hill outlets; all a above the waterline. Can you help me identify them? The boat is on the hard getting ready for a pressure wash, bottom redone and rest of the hull polished/waxed. It is an embarrassing photo of the arse end....but very illustrative. Thanks!

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Geoff W.

Makes Up For It With Enthusiasm
Blogs Author
Hi Tex,

Here's a pic from the owner's manual that may help shed some light, but plumbing gets changed by PO's and stock configuration may not be ground truth on what is going on in your boat. Best to do some boat yoga and "follow the tubes" as it were, when you find some time.

Here's a link to the owner's manual, if you haven't already torn it apart cover to cover:

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Tin Kicker

Sustaining Member
Moderator
As Geoff wrote, it's vital to trace each of the hoses to each of those thru-hulls and put a drawing in your owners manual or log. Don't forget the ones beneath the galley and head.

My 32-3 was not as shown on the factory diagram.
 

1911tex

Sustaining Member
Geoff: This important page is missing in my manual! The manual bilge pump outlet in the "Stern thru-hulls" diagram above; is that the source to the starboard of the Wheel pedestal and located low next to the lazzerette in the cockpit picture at 5 o'clock? Is the manual pump a Whale pump?
Do you know which Whale pump as that one and the one in the head are both missing. Are they one and the same as I need to place an order?
I noticed that the scupper drain hoses in the 3 o'clock picture above look like they are crossed...is that correct from the factory? Thanks for the clarification!
 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Just to add a data point, in 1988 EY installed the same model (Gusher 10) Whale pump in our head compartment for pumpout as they installed in the cockpit coming for emergency dewatering.
 

Geoff W.

Makes Up For It With Enthusiasm
Blogs Author
The manual bilge pump outlet in the "Stern thru-hulls" diagram above; is that the source to the starboard of the Wheel pedestal and located low next to the lazzerette in the cockpit picture at 5 o'clock? Is the manual pump a Whale pump?

Ditto to Al and Loren above, that should be for the cockpit pump but follow the hoses in the interior to confirm what goes where. Both my head and cockpit pumps are Whale pumps but I can't confirm the model right now - will check on boat later.

I noticed that the scupper drain hoses in the 3 o'clock picture above look like they are crossed...is that correct from the factory? Thanks for the clarification!

This is correct from the factory and the subject of a number of threads here about it -- the idea is that while heeled over, the "high" scupper drains to the low thru-hull, so the low side of the cockpit isn't constantly filled with water. Mine are crossed as such, but I still get water in the low side of my cockpit when it's particularly sporty out.

Some folks have contemplated draining directly from starboard/port scupper to starboard/port thru-hull in the hopes of faster cockpit drainage, but unless I'm misremembering, the discussion is mostly academic.

Thread about this here: https://ericsonyachts.org/ie/threads/found-our-leak-interesting-cockpit-drain-hose-routing.15320/
 

Kenneth K

1985 32-3, Puget Sound
Blogs Author
Note on scupper drains....it seems that over the years, some owners have reported the port/stbd scupper drain lines being "crossed," while others report theirs are not crossed. Likewise, some boats have the centermost scuppers draining forward to the galley, while on other boats, the outboard scuppers drain forward.

Hard to know if the variations were done at the factory or if changes were later made by owners.

I also had Whale Gusher 10s in both the head and the cockpit. If you're in saltwater, conventional wisdom is to replace with the non-aluminum Whale Gusher Titan pump.
 

markvone

Sustaining Member
Typical scupper drain hoses are crossed so they have more vertical drop to prevent backflow into the cockpit when heeled.

I third the recommendation to trace (and diagram) all hoses from source to thru hull. Check condition and hose type (note length and diameter, too), make a list (spreadsheet is nice) and prioritize which hoses are critical for replacement. Add all the other hoses on the boat to the spreadsheet when you get to them or happen to be working in an area where they pass through. Have a nice big drink when you eventually get a significant number (all is an ideal significant number) inspected and/or replaced.

The hose spreadsheet is a living maintenance document that lets you track the age of all your hoses over time. It'll also look pretty impressive to any potential buyers down the road.

Mark
 

Kevin A Wright

Member III
The two smallest and lowest down should be the propane locker vents. Just above them the two larger ones should be your scupper drains. One of the next two larger ones above that should be your exhaust and I'm guessing the other is from your manual bilge pump. On my 1986 E35 the electric bilge pump and the Espar heater vents are on the aft stbd side. And I just had to replace my Whale Gusher 10 bilge pump last year. Get ready for a lot of fun. 1/4" of one corner on the casting had to be sawn off (to match the old one that came out) and would have liked to find an 8 year old with 4' long arms with two elbows in each to help with the install. This was obviously something that was bolted in place before the hull and deck were mated as there is barely any clearance for the pump and being able to start and reach the nuts on the back 2 bolts that hold it in place will require the patience of Job.

Kevin Wright
E35 Hydro Therapy
 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
One other preventative maintenance idea I picked up from another sailor long ago....
When you replace a hose, use a felt tip marker to write the date on it in a couple of places.
(An old hose section can look OK at a glance but be brittle and developing pinhole leaks or small cracks.)
 

1911tex

Sustaining Member
Kevin: Thank you. Where are the two propane lockers? I have 1 propane tank and would like to use one vented storage for the tank. I will look as forward? to putting the new WG 10 in place as per your description!
 

1911tex

Sustaining Member
Loren...that has been a valuable practice of mine for quite sometime..for everything I replace...sound practice!
 

Kevin A Wright

Member III
Kevin: Thank you. Where are the two propane lockers? I have 1 propane tank and would like to use one vented storage for the tank. I will look as forward? to putting the new WG 10 in place as per your description!
In my '86 they are port and stbd on the aft bench seat in the cockpit. D shaped lid with a 1" hole in the center held in place by an internal bungee. The recess underneath holds a small aluminum propane tank. On mine the stbd one is the active one hooked up to a regulator and the stove and the port side is storage for the spare, or in my case can be hooked up to the bbq when needed.

And Loren is right. Felt markers rule. Use it in just about everything marine, automotive, and in the house when I replace a replaceable part. Have also started using it to mark the tire pressures in large print on the fenders of my lawn equipment since they all have slightly different inflation requirements front and back and I can't read the black on black print on the tires anymore unless I get down on my hands and knees - something that is not nearly as easy as it used to be.

Kevin Wright
E35 Hydro Therapy
 

1911tex

Sustaining Member
Kevin: I have the same 2 port/stbd lockers on either side of the aft cockpit bench in my E35-3. Never could figure what they were for because of the 1" "rain" hole....Previous owner kept "stuff" in these...and because of the hole in the lid, filled with rain water and could not drain due to the soaked "stuff"! Through out all the soaked stuff, cleared the drains and now ready for the propane tanks for the 2 burner galley stove! I had no idea where to store the tanks! That's quite a distance for the starboard propane hose to the galley..will need to find a longer hose! Great to get things figured out! Thanks for your kind info!

Tip: I also use a Dremel engraver+permanent marker to etch my boat registration number on all things that could "accidentally" fall overboard...poles, life jackets, life ring, buoys, bumpers, etc.. "If lost/stolen; return to "X" Marina for a modest reward". If they show up, one less beer...if found on another boat...knock on the companion way or a "friendly" note.
 

debonAir

Member III
Kevin, Can you post a picture of your propane regulator setup? I am in the very-slow process of converting from CNG. I like the CNG but it is getting hard to find and the more time people spend on the boat the more it is apparent that propane holds a lot more energy per space. I have a stove and force-10 cozy-cabin. I can re-jet the cabin heater, and Ive got a new (used) stove, but I've yet to get the solenoid valve, sniffer-switch, and hoses. I figure I'll have to "T" at the tank and run two hoses after drilling two holes in the stbd locker. Just not sure where to drill and what type of seal to use around the propane tubes in the locker holes. I'll also look around this site for older posts about this.
 

1911tex

Sustaining Member
In my '86 they are port and stbd on the aft bench seat in the cockpit. D shaped lid with a 1" hole in the center held in place by an internal bungee. The recess underneath holds a small aluminum propane tank. On mine the stbd one is the active one hooked up to a regulator and the stove and the port side is storage for the spare, or in my case can be hooked up to the bbq when needed.
Kevin Wright
E35 Hydro Therapy
Kevin: There are smaller 5# & 11# propane tanks available.....which do you have for the two aft storage bins? Thanks!
 
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