E38--Heat Exchanger Blockage Resolved

Christian Williams

E381 - Los Angeles
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
I haven't been sailing since the January 7 fire, but since our temporary apartment is walking distance from the slip, I can at least run the engine every week or so to keep its intestinal fluids moving. When I did, a few days ago, nothing came out of the exhaust except hot air.

Nothing. Not a drop. That's a first.

The cooling system had been boiled out only last August, using the Barnacle Buster immersion system. It has performed well since, with robust output from the water-lift muffler and an operating temperature pegged at 180F. What the devil could stop all water from circulating through the heat exchanger? I found it hard to believe.

Check One was of the raw water pump. Old impeller looked fine. Put in a new one anyway. Started engine, no exhaust water. But is the impeller actually spinning? Took off the Oberdorfer cover plate, started engine, observed spinning. Raw water pump worked.

Check Two. Groco bronze raw water filter. Clean the basket. With thruhull open, filter overflows as expected. Raw water filter worked.

Check Three. Disconnect hoses from Oberdorfer raw water pump. I have seen calcium deposits in the pump elbows before. But nope, elbows were clear.

Check Four. Detach 2' exhaust hose from water-lift muffler. Remove water-lift muffler and hose and place in cockpit to permit entry to engine bay.

Check Five. Crawl headfirst into lazarette. Detach heat exchanger salt water hose from where it enters exhaust elbow. This is a common point of blockage where salt water enters hot pipe. Hose and exhaust fitting were clear of obstruction.

Check Six. Remove all hoses from heat exchanger. When coolant hoses are detached, coolant will pour out. But it is not necessary to drain all coolant out of the engine. A bucket placed under the upper hose will catch the gallon or so that drains out of the manifold tank. Bucket placement is awkward but a beach towel spread beneath absorbs most spills. When the lower engine coolant hose is detached from the heat exchanger shell, no additional coolant runs out.

Check Seven. Detach heat exchanger from engine bracket and place in cockpit for examination.

I was expecting to find obvious blockage so as to justify all the blood and cursing and discomfort.

Here it is:

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The point of raw water entry from the Oberdorfer to the heat exchanger was sealed entirely by mineral deposits inside and out.

There was no other clogging anywhere. The rest of the heat exchanger looked pristine and newly boiled, and I could see unimpeded through the tubes. Even the pencil zinc remained nearly intact, and had not been changed since last August. I believe the galvanic isolator I installed at that time has led to a longer lifespan.

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Why would deposits create 100 percent blockage only at the point where raw water enters the heat exchanger?

Beats me. I'll boil the heat exchanger out of duty, but all it really needs is to have that single occlusion knocked away.

I've never missed the check for visible exhaust water every time I start the engine. But complacency or distraction is possible for anybody, and skipped items on a routine checklist have led to many funerals in general aviation. A dry exhaust on a marine diesel is rare enough to be unlikely, which makes it all the more easy to ignore that routine check for exhaust water.

Removing a heat exchanger is not the fun it used to be. But it is still more fun than the seizure of all four cylinders, a plume of smoke, and a tow to the nearest Betamarine dealer for a new diesel engine.

What are we paid to do this stuff ourselves? Well, a new engine is $15K. I'll write that check to myself.

(Listed as Thelonious blog entry.)
 

Frank Langer

1984 Ericson 30+, Nanaimo, BC
Christian,
Thanks for posting this, and providing a good problem solving approach to this issue.
But I'm still puzzled as to why the blockage occurred there, given that you had serviced it last August and it hasn't had much engine run time since then. Any possible explanation?
I clean my heat exchanger about every three years, and have never had a blockage like this.
Frank
 

Captain Pete

Member I
What's noteworthy is how white and clean that stuff is in your heat exchanger. As I recall when you used barnacle buster you ran it into the system and let it sit for a day or so. I wonder if that partially dislodged but did not remove that material. Having used barnacle buster on at least 3 different engines my approach has been to rig up a portable electic sump pump in a bucket and circulate the magic potion throughout the system for several hours. I did this on a raw water cooled universal that was very blocked and overheating with an old man's trickle but after an hour or so had a young man's stream and was no doubt sparkly inside. The challenge was to get it cirulating all the way through the system including the mixing elbow/riser and then back to the bucket. On my trawler with an old Cat 3208 I had to get creative with the two 6"+ risers using bags routing the water back into the bucket - a little messy but it made a big difference. Great methodical checklist, thanks for sharing your knowledge as always.
 

southofvictor

Member III
Blogs Author
How frustrating to have that happen after recently going the the steps (that many folks neglect) to clean the heat exchanger. Thanks for sharing your troubleshooting and your calm approach to solving the problem.
 

Kenneth K

1985 32-3, Puget Sound
Blogs Author
What's noteworthy is how white and clean that stuff is in your heat exchanger. As I recall when you used barnacle buster you ran it into the system and let it sit for a day or so.
Yeah, I had a similar thought. The sediment is clean, uniform, and present in only one spot in the whole system. I wonder if that buildup was a result of a chemical reaction between the heat exchanger metals and some of the residual chemicals from the barnacle buster?
 

Christian Williams

E381 - Los Angeles
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Any guess is as good as mine. But the Barnacle Buster was last year, and the engine has at least 10 hours on it since.

The deposits localized at the entry of raw water into the heat exchanger were hard, although pretty easily scraped away.

They reminded me of the buildup I had previously seen in the Oberdorfer elbows, and in the first half-inch of those connected hoses.

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Those, and the present 100 percent clog, were formed by initial sea water, rather than sea water further downstream in the cooling system.

I wonder if sea water 'sitting there" is the cause. Heat exchangers are designed to create turbulence in fluids passing through them, because laminar flow tends to cause buildups. Sea water "sitting there' must be worse. Perhaps that makes the upstream system more vulnerable to buildup.

In retrospect, I probably had not run the engine in a month, possibly six weeks. It has been a time of many distractions.

But my speculation isn't very convincing, since a heat exchanger is always full of salt water, and meant to be. And I never had this problem before.
 
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nukey99

Member II
On our old express cruiser with cummins 6CTA engines, I rigged a freshwater flushing system. It was not fun to go into the engine room, with 2 hot diesels in the Florida sun, to attach a hose and run the engine. The benefit became obvious over time. Zinc's in the after coolers and the heat exchangers essentially lasted for ever. When the after coolers were taken off for their every 2 year removal of the bundle, cleaning and regressing the core, the bundles slid out with hand pressure. I'd love to do that with our Universal M30, but the fittings are in such a tight spot it's just not practical.
 

Eddie 169

Junior Member
I haven't been sailing since the January 7 fire, but since our temporary apartment is walking distance from the slip, I can at least run the engine every week or so to keep its intestinal fluids moving. When I did, a few days ago, nothing came out of the exhaust except hot air.

Nothing. Not a drop. That's a first.

The cooling system had been boiled out only last August, using the Barnacle Buster immersion system. It has performed well since, with robust output from the water-lift muffler and an operating temperature pegged at 180F. What the devil could stop all water from circulating through the heat exchanger? I found it hard to believe.

Check One was of the raw water pump. Old impeller looked fine. Put in a new one anyway. Started engine, no exhaust water. But is the impeller actually spinning? Took off the Oberdorfer cover plate, started engine, observed spinning. Raw water pump worked.

Check Two. Groco bronze raw water filter. Clean the basket. With thruhull open, filter overflows as expected. Raw water filter worked.

Check Three. Disconnect hoses from Oberdorfer raw water pump. I have seen calcium deposits in the pump elbows before. But nope, elbows were clear.

Check Four. Detach 2' exhaust hose from water-lift muffler. Remove water-lift muffler and hose and place in cockpit to permit entry to engine bay.

Check Five. Crawl headfirst into lazarette. Detach heat exchanger salt water hose from where it enters exhaust elbow. This is a common point of blockage where salt water enters hot pipe. Hose and exhaust fitting were clear of obstruction.

Check Six. Remove all hoses from heat exchanger. When coolant hoses are detached, coolant will pour out. But it is not necessary to drain all coolant out of the engine. A bucket placed under the upper hose will catch the gallon or so that drains out of the manifold tank. Bucket placement is awkward but a beach towel spread beneath absorbs most spills. When the lower engine coolant hose is detached from the heat exchanger shell, no additional coolant runs out.

Check Seven. Detach heat exchanger from engine bracket and place in cockpit for examination.

I was expecting to find obvious blockage so as to justify all the blood and cursing and discomfort.

Here it is:

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The point of raw water entry from the Oberdorfer to the heat exchanger was sealed entirely by mineral deposits inside and out.

There was no other clogging anywhere. The rest of the heat exchanger looked pristine and newly boiled, and I could see unimpeded through the tubes. Even the pencil zinc remained nearly intact, and had not been changed since last August. I believe the galvanic isolator I installed at that time has led to a longer lifespan.

View attachment 52875

Why would deposits create 100 percent blockage only at the point where raw water enters the heat exchanger?

Beats me. I'll boil the heat exchanger out of duty, but all it really needs is to have that single occlusion knocked away.

I've never missed the check for visible exhaust water every time I start the engine. But complacency or distraction is possible for anybody, and skipped items on a routine checklist have led to many funerals in general aviation. A dry exhaust on a marine diesel is rare enough to be unlikely, which makes it all the more easy to ignore that routine check for exhaust water.

Removing a heat exchanger is not the fun it used to be. But it is still more fun than the seizure of all four cylinders, a plume of smoke, and a tow to the nearest Betamarine dealer for a new diesel engine.

What are we paid to do this stuff ourselves? Well, a new engine is $15K. I'll write that check to myself.

(Listed as Thelonious blog entry.)
Now I’m really feeling I should check my heat exchanger on my Ericson 35-3 universal 25D!
 

Christian Williams

E381 - Los Angeles
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
My opinion is that a heat exchanger is usually good for up to three years, and nothing to worry about in the meantime. Generally we can track the buildup of deposits by engine temperature, and a gradual rise over normal operating temperature is the signal that a clean-out is coming due.

I will probably use the immersion system again for such maintenance, because it sure is easier than yanking hoses in the dark. Immersion just means pumping an acid solution into the system via the raw water input hose, and letting it bathe the system overnight. That single hose is usually relatively accessible.

If however no water comes out of the exhaust upon startup, then immediate action is required. No motor use until solved.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, E35-3 purchased 7/21
My opinion is that a heat exchanger is usually good for up to three years, and nothing to worry about in the meantime. Generally we can track the buildup of deposits by engine temperature, and a gradual rise over normal operating temperature is the signal that a clean-out is coming due.

I will probably use the immersion system again for such maintenance, because it sure is easier than yanking hoses in the dark. Immersion just means pumping an acid solution into the system via the raw water input hose, and letting it bathe the system overnight. That single hose is usually relatively accessible.

If however no water comes out of the exhaust upon startup, then immediate action is required. No motor use until solved.

Christian, I've acquired a different working theory on long soaks in BB. I think closer to four hours is about right for most of our circumstances. My reasoning is that in our cooling systems there is a surprising variety of metal: iron, steel, bronze, copper, brass, aluminum, zinc, brazing and soldering alloys, and who knows what else. The cleansing effects of the acid in BB can become destructive over time, varying by metal.

When I soaked the thermostat cover and coolant pump in BB for 24 hours it certainly cleaned them out. But it had also started to form a gray dust on the bare surfaces of the housings. This remained after thorough rinsing. I was able to wipe it off when dry. I'm pretty sure there are aluminum alloys in these (see post #161 here) Zinc is often part of alloys used for die-casting. I think the dust was the acid starting to interact with the alloy, and that it had gone too far. However, this can become a protective layer if done in controlled situations. Phosphatizing

Several months after my coolant pump had been soaked in BB and rinsed I noticed this growth inside. It had just been sitting in the garage.
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The microscopic structure of castings is somewhat porous and can retain moisture. My loosely informed speculation is that the crystals were from residual phosphoric acid interacting with the alloy. In retrospect, I should have rinsed them more thoroughly, including a baking soda cycle.

In the course of purchasing our new heat exchanger I'd communicated with the owner of Mr. Cool. I sent him the link to this thread asking for his opinion. He apparently didn't have time for to join the forum, but speculated it was BB interacting with a piece of zinc that had come loose. Possible. I also note that the point where your crystallization occurred is where the nipple would have been brazed or soldered into place. Brazing/solder alloys are a wildly varying mix of different metals. It's possible the BB was interacting with that. Although, by your account it had had ten hours of rinsing in salt water from use.

If one really wants to clean something out I think they'd be better off with two 2-hour baths, using fresh BB both times. Then afterwards, rinse, rinse, rinse. Maybe even do a rinse with baking soda. Of course, with the raw water system, it's constantly rinsed with outside water. Coolant manufacturers recommend using distilled water to keep from introducing potentially harmful minerals. At under $1.50 a gallon, this seems like cheap insurance, so that's what I did.

The crystallization you saw could very well have been salt. Or something else. My comments are directed more at length of time for exposure to Barnacle Buster in general. I would be happy to be redirected or flat out contradicted by actual science.

A few lay-language discussions here:
- https://lablinksolutions.com/2024/1...bad-for-metal-explore-the-risks-and-benefits/
- https://en.enzymecode.com/news/the-effect-of-phosphoric-acid-on/
 
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