1984 E30+ Ludington, MI
I doubt that Bene would even get close to you upwind or down.
Stefan - I agree with pretty much everything you say. I recently crashed my Ericson and am on the precipice of effectively re-purchasing the boat for a number in the healthy 5 figures so this isn't an entirely academic discussion for me. I'm muddling through a decision tree.Please note the difference in price: a factor of four or five. You could put a LOT of money into a used Ericson, and still come out ahead.
New boats are a mixed bag. There are a lot of things that you end up buying. Plus you can't assume higher reliability. Paradoxically, new stuff often doesn't work, at least not right away. My view is, unless you absolutely have to have something special (carbon fiber this or that, twin wheels/rudders, freestanding rig, open transom, whatever) buying a new boat just doesn't make sense.
I had fractional lease partnership ( SailTime ) on an Oceanis 38.1 just prior to buying my old Ericson last year . Sailed it for about two years average of twice per month mostly day sails but overnight to Catalina several times . It was a nice boat , only 2-3 years old with saildrive , bow thruster, battened main with an electric halyard winch and self tacking jib . The thing practically sailed itself . The interior laminates are very IKEA-like . Looks nice but kind of flimsy . The dual rudders and helms are nice but almost required with a boat that is that beamy in the stern . No weather helm . Steering in reverse under motor with dual rudder requires a bow thruster to turn after leaving the slip .So after a little more searching I have a couple of candidates that I think would be relatively close to my 32-200:
Boat Ericson 32-200 Beneteau Oceanis 30.1 Hanse 348 Length Over All (Sailboat Data) 32.5' 31.27' 32.78 Length at Waterline 25.83' 28.38 feet 31.33 Displacement 9,800lbs 8807 lbs 13,889 Ballast 4,200lbs 2145lb 5071lb Sail Area 496sf 425sf 630 "I" measure 42feet 44.62sf Deep Keel Draft 6.04 feet 6.17 feet 6.4 feet Beam 10.83 feet 9.81 feet 11.48 Price 30K and up 135k and up 155k and up
They are modern production boats so the build quality will be different from the quality of our production boats of yore.
The Oceanis 30.1 is interesting in part because the designers are the same as those who drew the Pogo 30. It's a corner chine planing-hull design that would slap in the waves, but probably go faster than my Ericson downwind all else equal.
The Oceanis 30.1 is easy to sail but lively to helm and promises new experiences and thrills. This robust little smart cruiser is small enough to trail, opening up endless possibilities for sailing on lakes and rivers, as well as coastal sailing and high sea adventures.www.beneteau.com
The Hanse is a smidge larger (probably sails more like an E35, given the waterline etc.) and has in common with the Beneteau a wide beam carried aft.
The Oceanis has an open transom, which I suppose one gets used to, and is good for water sloshing out, but the idea makes me a little uneasy.
The Hanse has a nice little fold-down swim platform that serves as a closing transom when not in use. It also has helmsmen seats perpendicular to the path of travel.
Both boats have twin wheels and rudders, which seem silly on smallish boats, but would make it easy to move about the cockpit.
The Oceanis has a prop-shaft drive, perhaps easier to trailer than a saildrive. The Hanse has a saildrive.
Of the two new small cruisers, I think the Hanse is closer to my 32. The Oceanis is trailer-able, which could be nice depending on one's needs, but I want a boat that will live in the bay year round. A couple of reviews mention that the 30.1 might have benefitted from stability with a wider beam, like the Pogo.
The Hanse comes with a self-tacking jib, which probably seems un-racy for a lot of people, but would make single handing-really easy.
The Beneteau dealer in the SF Bays says they are selling the Oceanis 30.1 like hotcakes. The sailing school in my marina has at least two. The dealer has sold four others this year and have two on order, with a spec boat coming in March.
I get the sense that the Jenneau boats enjoy a slightly better reputation than the Beneteaus, but the smallest Jenneau (The Sun Odyssey 349) is nearly 34 feet. Hanse also has a sister line called Dehler that is more race-oriented.
I think the Hanse would be the boat, but I have not seen any of them in person.
And that was a major reason for our recent re-fit to create a 'new' 1988/2021 Olson 34. We got a functionally new 300K boat for about a third of that. I would have done the same for a Ericson 33/34/35.... same logic. Might be flawed logic, but it works for us.Last time I asked about the price of a new boat it didn't include sails or electronics. It was a Sydney 38 the boat was over 375K.
Same here. I looked at a number of C&Cs during those dark days when I hadn't yet found my Ericson.I wouldn't even know where to look in new boats. In my boat search, the only other makes that turned my head were Canadian Sailcrafts and C&Cs.
Do you know how many of those daysailers were built? I think Hinckley has given up on sailboat production.Simple for me. If cost was no object and I wanted a daysailer / overnighter it would be the Hinckley Daysailer 42. Of course unless I hit the lottery I could never afford her. https://www.yachtingmagazine.com/hinckley-42-daysailer/