Prove Ericsons made in USA & Certificates of Origin

[Sean Engle]

Hi Sean,

I suggest adding, "Ron Holland" after the 33 as it is for the 36 II

Thanks or taking this project on! For all you do, You are a wonder!!!

Thank You!

Done - thanks!

@Christian Williams , I will contact you separately about the E38s and will also reach out to @Glyn Judson on the E36s and E31s... If anyone else has any info on any of the production runs from PSC, please advise as we're still missing much. WIP version of the accompanying table for this document is shown below.

Thanks,
//sse

Model No.	AKA	Company	Prod Stat	Prod End	HIN Start	HIN End	Tot Prod	Comment
23MK1		Ericson Yachts	1968	1970	1	165	165
23MK2		Ericson Yachts	1974	1979	201	470	270
25MK1		Ericson Yachts	1972	1978	1	384	384
25MK2		Ericson Yachts	1979	1984	501	693	193
26MK1	Crealock	Ericson Yachts	1966	1969	1	190	190
26MK2	Pacer	Ericson Yachts	1967	1968	1	11	11
26MK3		Ericson Yachts	1984	?	200	?	?
26MK4	300 Series	Pacific Seacraft	1987	?	300	?	?
27MK1		Ericson Yachts	1971	1979	1	1302	1302
28MK1		Ericson Yachts	1980	1984	501	594	94
28MK2		Ericson Yachts	1985	?	600	?	?
29MK1		Ericson Yachts	1970	1979	2	626	625
30MK1		Ericson Yachts	1966	1970	1	150	150
30MK2		Ericson Yachts	1977	1979	1	47	47
30MK3		Pacific Seacraft	1979	?	501	?	?
31MK1	31C	Ericson Yachts	1976	1978	1	27	26	Hull No. 13 was not produced
31MK2	Independence	Ericson Yachts	1978	1981	28	71	44
32MK1	Scorpion	Ericson Yachts	1967	1967	1	24	24
32MK2		Ericson Yachts	1969	1978	101	573	473
32MK3	32-200	Pacific Seacraft	1985	?	601	?	?	1985-1990
33MK1	Ron Holland	Ericson Yachts	1981	1984	1	28	28
34MK1	34R	Ericson Yachts	1977	1978	1	21	21
34MK2	34T	Ericson Yachts	1977	1979	101	141	41
34MK3	350	Pacific Seacraft	1986	?	201	?	?	1988-1990
35MK1		Ericson Yachts	1967	1968	1	45	45
35MK2		Ericson Yachts	1969	1981	102	612	511
35MK3		Ericson Yachts	1982	1998	111	?	?
36MK1	36C	Ericson Yachts	1975	1977	1	66	66
36MK2	Ron Holland	Ericson Yachts	1981	1984	1	32	32
37MK1		Ericson Yachts	1973	1975	1	53	53
38MK1		Ericson Yachts	1979	1987	1	126	126
38MK2	380 Series	Pacific Seacraft	1993	?				1986-1990
38MK2	381 Series	Pacific Seacraft	1982	1986	501	539	39
38MK3	382 Series	Pacific Seacraft	1985	1986	200	230	31
38MK3		Pacific Seacraft	1987	?	231	?	?
39MK1	A	Ericson Yachts	1970	1979	1	106	106
39MK2	B	Ericson Yachts	1974	1978	201	221	21
39MK2	SM	Ericson Yachts	1971	?	?	?	?
41MK1		Ericson Yachts	1967	1970	1	50	50
46MK1		Ericson Yachts	1971	1974	2	23	22
O25	Olson 25	Ericson Yachts	1984				130
O30	Olson 30	Pacific Boats	1978	1984			250
O34	Olson 34	Pacific Boats	1986	1986			1
O34E	Olson	Ericson Yachts	1988	1990			39
O911S	Olson 911	Ericson Yachts	1987	1990			?
Total Hulls Produced:						5610

 

[Sean Engle]

Continuing... Just got out of a conference call with their counsel and the Chamber.

It appears that what will likely occur is that the Chamber is going to set up an online certification acquisition system for these hulls, within the existing confines of the system they already use (SWIFTDox). That is, issuance of Certificates of Origin will come from the Greater Chamber of Irvine, and will be issued on a per-hull/per-owner basis or if a single owner has multiple Ericson hulls (no 'blanket' certificates will be issued). Those included will be all of the Ericson, Ericson-Olson, and Ericson-Pacific Seacraft family of hulls.

To do this, I will pull together a packet which will include documentation on HINs, production numbers, corporate/production history and statement of the authority of EY.o (in support of the certificate), as well as instructions on how to pursue/process the certificate. Owners will download this packet, and combine it with additional needed documents, including a copy of the hulls bill of sale and likely some affidavit of ownership, plus possibly one or two other documents, and along with a process payment (currently $150 per certificate). The owner will then go to the website, and upload all of this, including the payment, and the Chamber will issue a Certificate of Origin in digital form, on the SWIFTDox system, which is a common documentation portal for customs offices.

There may be an option for some kind of a hard document; that will be added to the inquiry. We are still in the process of determining what this packet will look like and consist of. I am also in the middle of exams so I won't be able to look at this until sometime next week at the earliest.

At a minimum, this should provide the documentation that overseas Ericson owners are looking for when seeking to register their hulls. In addition, it should provide a good body of knowledge and documentation for new owners in the US to answer the common questions about HINs and when what portions of the Ericson line were produced when. In short, it's a positive outcome.

I'll let you know more as it happens.

//sse

 

[Loren Beach]

Thanks a bunch! We have no current plans to document our boat, but it would be great to have that option for the future.

 

[Dave G.]

Great work Sean ! Question, in looking at the list above the 30MK3 (30+) is listed as Pacific Seacraft ? I think that should be EY no ?

 

[Sean Engle]

Thanks a bunch! We have no current plans to document our boat, but it would be great to have that option for the future.

Just in case you need to leave town suddenly?

 

[Sean Engle]

Great work Sean ! Question, in looking at the list above the 30MK3 (30+) is listed as Pacific Seacraft ? I think that should be EY no ?

Thanks - that is not the current sheet, but I will check it and ensure it's updated (@Christian Williams comments also).

 

[jtsai]

I have always been puzzled by my 1990 Ericson 32-3 with the 760 hull number. The hull VIN clearly identifies being an Ericson boat but the year and hull number fall within Pacific Seacraft 32-3.

 

[william.haas]

Hi Sean... if you could update the spreadsheet the second iteration of Ericson 28s were produced (I believe) from 1986 to 1990. I have hull 712 manufactured in June of 1990.

 

[Loren Beach]

I have always been puzzled by my 1990 Ericson 32-3 with the 760 hull number. The hull VIN clearly identifies being an Ericson boat but the year and hull number fall within Pacific Seacraft 32-3.

I am confused. I have not believed that there were any PSC-built Ericson's prior to early 1991. Thru 1990, the HIN should show the Ericson Yachts code (same for the Olson 34, 911, and 25, that they were producing). I could be wrong, however......

 

[Sean Engle]

I am confused. I have not believed that there were any PSC-built Ericson's prior to early 1991. Thru 1990, the HIN should show the Ericson Yachts code (same for the Olson 34, 911, and 25, that they were producing). I could be wrong, however......

You're correct on this, although the numbering scheme they used looks more similar to PSCs than the ERY original... I have updated the sheet.

 

[Sean Engle]

Update:

I just had someone IM me on this issue, so I thought would update all of you. What follows is a paste of the text from that conversation which outlines what the issue is (for summary purposes) and what it's current status is.

//sse

Issue there is the creation of a Certificate of Origin (CO) - which is a document usually provided by the manufacturer to attest to the item in question having been manufactured in a particular country - for purposes of assessing someone VAT or excise taxes when attempting to bring it in to a second country, etc. Without the CO, the holder of the vessel (in this case) would be subject to all kinds of nasty taxes and fees and would have difficulty proving where the vessel actually originated from, actually having the boat registered and insured, etc.

Since Ericson Yachts as a business is defunct, this was difficult for some of our owners who are located outside the US. So, I am working with the Greater Irvine Chamber of Commerce in California (COs are usually stamped by the Chamber in the jurisdiction of origin) to create a path whereby any owner of an Ericson Yacht can go online to their jurisdictions website, enter in some documents and a processing fee and have a CO issued by the Chamber. EY.o has basically stood in for Ericson Yachts, Inc. to provide the basis by which that document will be issued.

This past Friday (05/07/21) I sent off a final draft of documents to their General Counsel who is reviewing it, and soon we should be uploading an entire packet of documents to the site which these owners can use to get the CO issued for their boat, and put all of this behind them.

 

[Loren Beach]

It's difficult to imagine any other owner sailing site experiencing this professional level of assistance and thoughtful followup.

On behalf of current and future EY owners, Thank You!!

 

[Mr. Scarlett]

Bit of drift from the original question but as far as importing an Ericson sailboat into Canada from the US all that was needed for customs was a bill of sale with the boat's HIN, and a copy of the sellers certificate of ownership. They wanted to know more about the outboard for the dinghy that was included with the sale.
Hope this is useful for somebody.

 

[Loren Beach]

Bit of drift from the original question but as far as importing an Ericson sailboat into Canada from the US all that was needed for customs was a bill of sale with the boat's HIN, and a copy of the sellers certificate of ownership. They wanted to know more about the outboard for the dinghy that was included with the sale.
Hope this is useful for somebody.

Curiosity...... Did you have a signed-off former state registration to also hand over? Or, a copy of the former state title?

 

[Mr. Scarlett]

I'd have to look closely, as that's what I may be referring to as a certificate of ownership. My last boat was not very well documented from about 1977 onward. I was as guilty as other previous owners at keeping it up to date.
The paperwork is another system I'm familiar with but need to learn to maintain in my case.
Along with autopilots
and watermakers,
and roller furlers,
solar,
blisters!
And who knows what else? The boat arrived four days before I had to go to another two week stretch at work.

 

[Alexa Jane]

Update:

I just had someone IM me on this issue, so I thought would update all of you. What follows is a paste of the text from that conversation which outlines what the issue is (for summary purposes) and what it's current status is.

//sse

Hi Sean— I am in process of documenting my E37 with the Coast Guard and have run into a block of providing a builders certificate. I’m looking at a lengthy and expensive waiver for not providing this. After a long conversation with a long time Coast Guard documentation employee it was indicated I could provide any kind of documentation From either a former employee or some business like association with Ericson. In short I just need to prove that the boat was built in the US. I’m very interested in the work that you’ve been doing with the city of Irvine can you update me as to the status of this ?
Many thanks, as I just received my endorsement from the Coast Guard I can happily sign off as Captain Alex !

 

[Alexa Jane]

Hi Sean— I am in process of documenting my E37 with the Coast Guard and have run into a block of providing a builders certificate. I’m looking at a lengthy and expensive waiver for not providing this. After a long conversation with a long time Coast Guard documentation employee it was indicated I could provide any kind of documentation From either a former employee or some business like association with Ericson. In short I just need to prove that the boat was built in the US. I’m very interested in the work that you’ve been doing with the city of Irvine can you update me as to the status of this ?
Many thanks, as I just received my endorsement from the Coast Guard I can happily sign off as Captain Alex !

Yes I am referring to the certificate of origin process/ documents you mentioned as being in front of general counsel on May 7, 2021 and whether we could get the certificate from the Chamber of Commerce in Irvine California

 

[Alexa Jane]

Hello — just inquiring about the status of this with the City of Irvine - regarding certificate of origin?
Thanks!!
Alex

 

[Sean Engle]

Hello — just inquiring about the status of this with the City of Irvine - regarding certificate of origin?
Thanks!!
Alex

Just responded to your IM on this. Please email me directly. We are in the process of finishing up with them and you'll likely be the first to use this service.

UPDATE: We are nearly complete on this and are working out the final logistical issues (signatures, where documents reside, etc). It appears we have our first victim, er...volunteer, er....applicant... who will run this the first time and help us sort out any remaining issues... I will update you all again when I have more info.



//sse

 

[Sean Engle]

UPDATE: We are about to push out the first CO request to the GICC, using @Alexa Jane as our test case. Once it's complete, I will advise the complete process, etc.

//sse