Sheaves at the top of mast - E381

DrZiplock

Member I
Hey hey

Quick question for the hive mind. I just recently picked up a new to me roller furler (Harken MKIV Unit 2) and foil for my E381 and while taking various measurements noticed the two sheaves you'll see in the pics. One seems to have a leader line tied off and the other is blank.

When I purchased the boat it hadn't been sailed in a long while and a lot of the running rigging and halyards were in a state so I don't want to assume that these are halyards...but I'm thinking maybe? Any info on their function would be appreciated.

To that end, how many halyards does the 381 come with standard (apologies if this info is out there, I'm still getting accustomed to searching the forum). Genoa, main, spin.....others?

And has anyone ever run a top down furler rig on their 38/381/38-200 for an asym or gennaker?

Thanks!
 

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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
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Looks just like my '88 Kenyon mast head. You have sheaves for two spinnaker halyards, port and starboard. Not having a spinnaker "crane" on your masthead, you have 'wing' halyards. The polished SS tube is there to allow either halyard to cross over it after a gibe.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, new owners 7/21
Hi DrZ,

I don’t know if this will be helpful, but attached are pics from our ’86 E35-3. The mast was repainted by the PO, but I think it is otherwise stock. There are four sheaves, three forward and one aft. We are having the standing and running rigging replaced (all original as far as we can tell!) and the rigger will be installing new sheaves designed for rope halyards. The central forward halyard is for the jib of course. We will use one of the outboard forward halyards as a utility and the other for an asymm with a sock. The way the asymm halyard is currently run, from internal sheave to a block on the crane will be changed. They will cut a slot further down the mast and run the line outside to the block. If we weren’t using a snuffer he said we could get by using just the wing halyards without the extra block.

Cheers,
Jeff
 

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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Hi Jeff, someone has added a "crane" fitting to your masthead. First time I have witnessed that. Also, I am not seeing the pair of wing halyard sheaves. Puzzling.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, new owners 7/21
Hi Jeff, someone has added a "crane" fitting to your masthead. First time I have witnessed that. Also, I am not seeing the pair of wing halyard sheaves. Puzzling.
Hi Loren,
The PO flew a gennaker or asymm which didn't come with the boat. I'm not sure when he had the gear installed, but he was the original owner. Perhaps the attached image will show the wing sheaves.
Jeff
 

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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
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Thanks and that clarifies things. Except... for why he added those SS bails on top with two other halyard sheaves already there for flying sails.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, new owners 7/21
Thanks and that clarifies things. Except... for why he added those SS bails on top with two other halyard sheaves already there for flying sails.
Only one of the wing halyards went to a block on the 'crane'. The other comes straight out of the sheave. . . . Maybe he felt it got the head of the sail out a little further for easier gybes? The mysteries of previous owner decisions.
 

DrZiplock

Member I
Thanks, Loren! I had assumed halyard sheaves of some kind but we all know what happens when assuming.... Appreciate the confirmation and introduction to the term "wing halyard sheaves." Wasn't one that I was familiar with.

Jeff, as for what you have, that's super interesting. I'm actually wondering if it was either for what you described, just making gybing easier, or maybe it served what my last question in the original post was about: a top down furler arrangement. From what I can tell they would need a bit more space and distance from the top of the mast and primary genoa halyard in order to properly function (ie spin without getting fouled).

It's an interesting solution and one I'll probably explore. The boat came with a gennaker and as someone who single/short hands, there is a huge appeal to being able to just furl it vs run it with a sock.

Thanks for the pics and insights, all!
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, new owners 7/21
. . . I'm actually wondering if it was either for what you described, just making gybing easier, or maybe it served what my last question in the original post was about: a top down furler arrangement. . . .
I get the impression the PO had the gennaker/a-sail for quite a while. It was promised to go with the boat, but when transfer day came that sail was a no-show. :-( Fortuntely we have an asymm from a boat very similar in size to ours. Were a-sail furlers in vogue twenty years ago? The original owner's family couldn't remember much about it's configuration. They said if they found it they'd contact us but I suspect it's one of those things that will remain shrouded in mystery and speculation. Good luck!!
 

DrZiplock

Member I
Were a-sail furlers in vogue twenty years ago?

That's a real good point. No idea, but unlikely.

Bit of a bail on the mast...maybe another on the end of the anchor roller as the base connection. This could work nicely. Knowing that those two sheaves are halyards is lovely news. Of course running line up the one that is blank is going to be a pain in the ass but worth it.

Good luck to you as well! I'm waiting to hear back from the PO on where he might have misplaced the whisker pole.

...probably rolled under the couch or something.
 
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