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Composite Chain Plates - Has Anyone Tried This?

johnnyL

Junior Member
Hello Everyone,


I’m curious if anyone here has experience making composite chain plates similar to the ones used in the Duracell project. I’m considering doing this on my 35-2 and would love to hear about any insights, tips, or challenges you’ve encountered with this type of setup.

Any advice, resources, or feedback would be greatly appreciated!



~Johnny

35-2
"Fuzzy Logic"
Duluth MN
 

ConchyDug

Member III
Seems like they'd be hard to inspect. Visually an advanced composite could look ok but you wouldn't know until you did an ultrasound or x-ray. You could do a tap test but that isn't a guarantee. Also the securing hardware if stainless will suffer from corrosion if using carbon.
 

frick

Sustaining Member
Composites are stronger then steel, but they are prone to catastrophic failure when pushed or pulled past their limits.
 

johnnyL

Junior Member
Seems like they'd be hard to inspect. Visually an advanced composite could look ok but you wouldn't know until you did an ultrasound or x-ray. You could do a tap test but that isn't a guarantee. Also the securing hardware if stainless will suffer from corrosion if using carbon.
I was thinking of using Dyneema or poly bushings like the ones used on upper lower control arms on trucks/SUVs to separate stainless to carbon corrosion. I was going composite to mitigate leaking to my bulkhead. I was figuring since I have a fiberglass boat it might work and less susceptible to corrosion.
 
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ConchyDug

Member III
Yeah the bushings would work to stop that, I wonder if using aramid fiber would allow you to forego the bushings. I watched the video Duracell had on the checkstays, it's interesting. Would be cool to see how you would tie shroud chain plates to the structure/hull on the Ericson. If you're capable of doing the load analysis and a mock up on Solidworks that would be cool to look at. I think some here have went the titanium route. I'm in the high grade 316 camp as it seems most cost effective for an old 80s displacement design. If it was a newer design racer I'd be all about experimenting. I have pondered the idea of using the dyneema strops that go thru the deck for sail control anchor points.
 

David Vaughn

E31 Independence - Decatur AL
Blogs Author
When we thought we might have to replace our chainplates, I ran across this video from Mack Yacht Services in FL. No affiliation or endorsement. It's not a complete composite solution but it's an interesting option to the glassed-in plates that some 70s and early 80s Ericsons models have. Though I imagine the cost of them doing it would make me look for a different boat.

 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
I recall that the chainplates on this model pass down thru the deck and are bolted to bulkheads inside. The original material was SS, and can be weakened by unaddressed leakage from a failed seal where it passes thru the deck.
Even if the original SS is not noticeably affected by corrosion, I would guess that passage of time might indicate a need at some point to replace. Maybe.
IF you get 40+ years out of the originals, it seems reasonable to replace with SS. If you want more freedom from corrosion replace with Titanium.
Just for a hobby and getting some experience with higher-tech parts, you could make 'em out of carbon composite, but this might take more money and time than most of us would devote. Do you have access to the engineering and layup expertise to be Real Sure that your composite replacement will be as good?
And, to address the "elephant in the room" since we are considering a 35-2, have the existing chainplates been pulled and the deck coring in that area filled in with thickened epoxy? Are the interior bulkheads 100% solid with zero moisture damage? This is important no matter what you make the chainplates out of.

Keep us in the loop. Interesting stuff!

BTW, nicely produced video, on the whole. It left out the begged question of why water was allowed to drip down around the deck penetration for what must have been years or a decade. Besides the wasting away of the metal there was a lot plain old rust evident.
As we found when we pulled all of our deck hardware off for our recent re-fit, at about 30 years even the best factory sealant is starting to fail. The lady in the video was perhaps not aware of this, and may be starting to have more hardware leak/corrosion problems all around her boat. (?)
 
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Drewm3i

Member III
KISS: Don't overthink it. Go with stainless or titanium. You're asking for trouble and experimenting with your own potential misfortune--why?
 
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