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Eliminating through hulls below waterlone

ky ed

Extreme Adventurer. E27 trailer sailor from Iowa
New owner of a 1978 E-27 here. I need to replace the old white flexible (was flexible 40 years ago)) pvc spa hose along with old brittle schedule 40 fittings glued to old hose. Going to change out seacocks that old also. My question is this. Has any body rerouted the 4 cockpit drains to drain out the transom above waterline instead of through the hull below water line lime like mine are? Seems out the transome makes a lot more sense to me. Much safer and shorter runs plus i think i can have a nice 1/4 bu
 

ky ed

Extreme Adventurer. E27 trailer sailor from Iowa
New owner of a 1978 E-27 here. I need to replace the old white flexible (was flexible 40 years ago)) pvc spa hose along with old brittle schedule 40 fittings glued to old hose. Going to change out seacocks that old also. My question is this. Has any body rerouted the 4 cockpit drains to drain out the transom above waterline instead of through the hull below water line like mine are now? Seems out the transom above the "at dock water line" makes a lot more sense to me. Much safer, more direct, less turns,less Fittings eliminate low spots that retain water "freezing and ruptured hose" get rid of up hill runs that impede flow, much shorter runs. Plus i think i can have a nice 1/4 bubble of fall all the way to out the transom. Maybe Im trying to simplify by thinking more like a plumber than a navel architect. Alas I was a plumbers helper back in the the 20th century. Some of the first things taught to me by my master plumber was - #1 S##T GOES DOWN HILL, #2 DONT PUT YOUR FINGERS IN YOUR MOUTH, #3 PAYDAY IS ON FRIDAY #4 CANT SUCK WATER HIGHER THAN 33' # 4 THE BOSS IS A REAL S.O.B.!
a plumber
 

Drewm3i

Marine Surveyor
Where are you sailing? Personally I wouldn't worry about it. My advice: replaced with proper bronze or marelon seacocks/fittings and double-clamp the new hose. Be sure to tighten the nut down, seal it all up well with 5200 or similar, and go boating. There are way more important things to worry about.
 

peaman

Contributing Partner
Sorry about fractured post!
After uploading a post, you should see an "edit" link displayed, which will be there for several minutes, so you have some time to make adjustments. I always find something I missed when I re-read my posts, so I use the edit feature a lot. After ten minutes or so (?) the link disappears.
 

peaman

Contributing Partner
The "Real-world limit" noted in that screenshot also applies to pumps. Not generally published for the small pumps that we usually deal with, all large pumps are tested for "Net Positive Suction Head" (NPSH) which takes into account the dynamics within the pump volute and impeller. A system which has NPSH "available" (which is based on the system design, liquid temperature, and altitude) less than the NPSH "required" by the pump is likely to experience cavitation.
 

ky ed

Extreme Adventurer. E27 trailer sailor from Iowa
Kenneth here is the kicker about the 33 'imit. Look out your window and you will see plenty of trees that are well over 10 meters. I got cottonwoods nearby that are are about 55 foot tall. Explain that to me. I sit here in total awe about giant sequoia out west at like 300 feet or some thing like that! Do you know any thong about rerouting drain hoses?
 

Kenneth K

1985 32-3, Puget Sound
Blogs Author
Kenneth here is the kicker about the 33 'imit. Look out your window and you will see plenty of trees that are well over 10 meters. I got cottonwoods nearby that are are about 55 foot tall. Explain that to me. I sit here in total awe about giant sequoia out west at like 300 feet or some thing like that!
Hmmm. Yeah, maybe because in trees the water is travelling through cells/membranes vs "tubes??" I mean, when you cut down a branch or a tree trunk, water stays trapped in the wood, versus flowing freely out of it. Still, an interesting thought....

And, in Denver, at 80% of sea level pressure, a siphon should only be possible to about 27 ft.

Do you know any thong about rerouting drain hoses?
I replaced the hoses on my cockpit drains but didn't reroute any of them to new through-hulls. One thing to be aware of if cutting new through-hull drain points is where those holes will be (with respect to the waterline) when the boat is heeling. Even with Ericson's existing cockpit stern drains, some users report water flowing INTO the cockpit through the stern drain if the boat is heeling enough.

Though they pose winterization problems, an advantage of the deeper, centerline hull drains is that they remain submerged at all normal angles of heel.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, E35-3 purchased 7/21
New owner of a 1978 E-27 here. I need to replace the old white flexible (was flexible 40 years ago)) pvc spa hose along with old brittle schedule 40 fittings glued to old hose. Going to change out seacocks that old also. My question is this. Has any body rerouted the 4 cockpit drains to drain out the transom above waterline instead of through the hull below water line lime like mine are? Seems out the transome makes a lot more sense to me. Much safer and shorter runs plus i think i can have a nice 1/4 bu

Personally, I'm reluctant to change original configurations on things like that. A boat is a complex ecosystem of dynamics. They could just be the remnants of folk wisdom, subject to better science. But I don't feel smarter than Mr. King. I'm sure there are some folks here who could match him on select subjects and look forward to their insights.
 

Drewm3i

Marine Surveyor
Personally, I'm reluctant to change original configurations on things like that. A boat is a complex ecosystem of dynamics. They could just be the remnants of folk wisdom, subject to better science. But I don't feel smarter than Mr. King. I'm sure there are some folks here who could match him on select subjects and look forward to their insights.
I tend to agree with this line of thinking on most boat-related things, although there are certainly plenty of design flaws and exceptions about. In this case though, the OP would be wasting time, energy, money and could end up disrupting the flow of discard by creating a logjam of sorts at one manifold drain.
 

ky ed

Extreme Adventurer. E27 trailer sailor from Iowa
Im located southwest iowa . Planning on sailing great lakes, Yankton Sacagawea, Grand Lake Cherokee. Sailorville, Rathburn, Manawa
Where are you sailing? Personally I wouldn't worry about it. My advice: replaced with proper bronze or marelon seacocks/fittings and double-clamp the new hose. Be sure to tighten the nut down, seal it all up well with 5200 or similar, and go boating. There are way more important things to worry about.
My problem is i live in midwest and it gets cold as heck! All the cockpit drain hoses have low spots that are going to freeze solid and split and bust janky pvc schedule 40 fittings. Sure i can dump antifreeze down scuppers but it would be take alot of antifreeze over the long winter. I gave it a good look over today and i think its doable. Ill take some pictures next trip to boat.
 
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