Olson 34 learnings from collision repairs

PNW Jeff

Member I
I was in a collision earlier this summer- had to drop the mast, haul the boat and have a lot of fiberglass work done. As the glass work wraps-up, I thought I'd share a few things I learned.

Bow Pulpits & bow plates

- Olson 34s are not all the same!
- After measuring 3 other Olson 34s and looking at pre-collision photos, there are two different bows on our boats
- The hull was made in 3 pieces- glassed together. Port half, Starboard half and Stern which is tabbed in and puttied on the outside
- As a result the bows vary widely. In the collision, mine cracked between the two halfs right down the middle of the bow
- The company I'm using to re-do the bow 3D scanned several O34 bows, they are all different due to how they halves came together
- Pulpits- originals were built by Railmakers in SoCal. They still have the drawings and can replicate- 2025 cost is $1700 ni shipping
- Early boats have the toe rail terminating much further back with several screws visible on the deck for the hull/deck joint in front of the toe rail
- Later boats have the toe rail ending much further forward with only 1 screw in front of the toe rail
- Garhauer is building my replacement bow plate- $800 ni shipping

Mast learnings

- I have a Sparcraft mast. Rig-Rite has parts if you need them. It's the same section as the J109
- Some Olsons have Ballenger or Seldon spars
- The original Sparcraft boot is available- but it's not clear if it's NOS or recent rubber, so I passed (it's $200)
- I'm using a generic stepped boot that looks like a hat from a DEVO concert- $60

Portlights-
not a collision thing but I know too many people with glued window issues
- Think about moving to portlights instead of re-doing the acrylic or polycarbonate
- My boat has Lewmar portlights, no cut/glued acrylic or polycarbonate
- I have a friend that had to have 3 sets of glued portlights installed until the yard "got it right" last year
- Fastening strategy is key to success. The system needs to be able to float for thermal expansion/contraction and flexing
- Go read cruiser forums comparing Acrylic and Polycarbonate if you are going to stay with glued cut material
- Polycarbonate vs. Acrylic if you have to re-do them:
Polycarbonate scratches much easier than Acrylic
Polycarbonate flexes more between fasteners than Acrylic- so it's harder to seal well unless you step-up the thickness
Polycarbonate will yellow due to UV, Acrylic will not- with the smoke tint, not sure how much this matters
Polycarbonate blocks most UV, Acrylic needs to be treated to pass less UV
Polycarbonate does have more impact strength but the originals were Acrylic- so do you need it?
- After watching other boats leak due to UV damaging the adhesive and general flexing, I'm very happy to not have acrylic or polycarbonate
- Normal portlights can be re-bedded without having to replace them

Wiring

- Original Olson 34 wiring was just copper, not tinned. I can see the wire the Seattle yard used finishing my boat vs. Ericson. Tinned vs. just copper.
- Start replacing what you can when you can. It will be a problem someday
- You may see lumps in the insulation- imaging a snake swallowing a mouse. That's the copper corroding inside the insulation
- If you have AIS and are installing a Tri-Color masthead light, don't use MarineBeam. It's a great idea but the LED power supply puts out a lot EMI and interferes with your ability to receive AIS signals

Fuel System
- Not related to collision- but 3 years ago I pulled my tank, had it cleaned and replaced the fuel line with rubber hose.
- My original was bent copper line which had several hairline cracks at the bends which let air into the system due to corrosion and stress
- Replacing the line made a HUGE difference in how the engine runs.

When the boat is done- I'll post before/after photos. I'm doing things serially- glass/bowplate mfg/pulpit to make sure everything fits so it will be a while.
 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Good writeup. Albeit quite a bit to unpack,
Our 1988 hull (#8) has a Kenyon mast. Matter of fact, our boat was built out as a dealer-stock boat, but with the tall rig for West Coast (SoCal) sailing was my presumption. FWIW our boat was put into a sailing club in SF upon delivery.

Our OEM fixed port lenses, all four, were **Polycarbonate, and I have been informed that for lenses over XX inches long, the polycarbonate material was somewhat more at risk of being flexed inward if hit hard enough by a boarding sea. That was why the factory used so many ss screws, so that the "sealant" was just relied upon to seal out water and the screws did the structural work. Nowadays much newer adhesive/sealants are said to eliminate the requirement for screws, (Our next set of lenses will be be "glued on" only.)

** Regarding the choice of acrylic or polycarbonate, our full re-fit did entail four new lenses. TAP Plastics told me I was buying polycarbonate but they actually sold me acrylic :(, and several lenses have developed multiple small cracks and will all four have to be replaced. Grrrrrrr.

When I did the previous lens replacement back in the mid 90's, I did use polycarbonate and other than the expected hazing from UV they were in perfect mechanical/physical condition when removed in 2020.

While I have never experienced a "boarding" cross sea in my own boat, this happened while on another boat off the Northern California coast-- all the windows held fine, but the force was, at 3 am, Loud and impressive... :( Later, cockpit was filled, once. "Life, on the bounding main!" :oops:
 
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Slick470

Sustaining Member
Great notes. I'll be looking forward to updates as you work your way through your project. A few of your items are on my list. Our boat was in a P/S collision from a PO and the biggest issues I have are they did a terrible job of color matching the original gelcoat (not sure they really tried) and they didn't bother to repair the bow pulpit. It's intact, but has a slight tweak to it that probably only I notice.

I'll have to look but S2 Yachts used to have a pretty good guide on how to install the fixed port lenses on those boats that we used to re-install similar windows on a friend's C&C. I really like the look of the fixed poly lenses on the Olson 911 and 34 but owning one of the last 911s that has the fixed and opening Lewmar ports, I'm glad I have what I have. Last year I replaced the lenses in all of the opening ones, and installed re-build fixed ones and it was painless compared to the exercise needed for the fixed poly ones.

I'd like to re-locate our fuel filter so that will be a good time to inspect and/or replace our rigid fuel lines.
 

PNW Jeff

Member I
I was in a collision earlier this summer- had to drop the mast, haul the boat and have a lot of fiberglass work done. As the glass work wraps-up, I thought I'd share a few things I learned.

Bow Pulpits & bow plates
- Olson 34s are not all the same!
- After measuring 3 other Olson 34s and looking at pre-collision photos, there are two different bows on our boats
- The hull was made in 3 pieces- glassed together. Port half, Starboard half and Stern which is tabbed in and puttied on the outside
- As a result the bows vary widely. In the collision, mine cracked between the two halfs right down the middle of the bow
- The company I'm using to re-do the bow 3D scanned several O34 bows, they are all different due to how they halves came together
- Pulpits- originals were built by Railmakers in SoCal. They still have the drawings and can replicate- 2025 cost is $1700 ni shipping
- Early boats have the toe rail terminating much further back with several screws visible on the deck for the hull/deck joint in front of the toe rail
- Later boats have the toe rail ending much further forward with only 1 screw in front of the toe rail
- Garhauer is building my replacement bow plate- $800 ni shipping

Mast learnings
- I have a Sparcraft mast. Rig-Rite has parts if you need them. It's the same section as the J109
- Some Olsons have Ballenger or Seldon spars
- The original Sparcraft boot is available- but it's not clear if it's NOS or recent rubber, so I passed (it's $200)
- I'm using a generic stepped boot that looks like a hat from a DEVO concert- $60

Portlights- not a collision thing but I know too many people with glued window issues
- Think about moving to portlights instead of re-doing the acrylic or polycarbonate
- My boat has Lewmar portlights, no cut/glued acrylic or polycarbonate
- I have a friend that had to have 3 sets of glued portlights installed until the yard "got it right" last year
- Fastening strategy is key to success. The system needs to be able to float for thermal expansion/contraction and flexing
- Go read cruiser forums comparing Acrylic and Polycarbonate if you are going to stay with glued cut material
- Polycarbonate vs. Acrylic if you have to re-do them:
Polycarbonate scratches much easier than Acrylic
Polycarbonate flexes more between fasteners than Acrylic- so it's harder to seal well unless you step-up the thickness
Polycarbonate will yellow due to UV, Acrylic will not- with the smoke tint, not sure how much this matters
Polycarbonate blocks most UV, Acrylic needs to be treated to pass less UV
Polycarbonate does have more impact strength but the originals were Acrylic- so do you need it?
- After watching other boats leak due to UV damaging the adhesive and general flexing, I'm very happy to not have acrylic or polycarbonate
- Normal portlights can be re-bedded without having to replace them

Wiring
- Original Olson 34 wiring was just copper, not tinned. I can see the wire the Seattle yard used finishing my boat vs. Ericson. Tinned vs. just copper.
- Start replacing what you can when you can. It will be a problem someday
- You may see lumps in the insulation- imaging a snake swallowing a mouse. That's the copper corroding inside the insulation
- If you have AIS and are installing a Tri-Color masthead light, don't use MarineBeam. It's a great idea but the LED power supply puts out a lot EMI and interferes with your ability to receive AIS signals

Fuel System- Not related to collision- but 3 years ago I pulled my tank, had it cleaned and replaced the fuel line with rubber hose.
- My original was bent copper line which had several hairline cracks at the bends which let air into the system due to corrosion and stress
- Replacing the line made a HUGE difference in how the engine runs.

When the boat is done- I'll post before/after photos. I'm doing things serially- glass/bowplate mfg/pulpit to make sure everything fits so it will be a while.

Almost done in the boatyard. The color match is very good. I need to buff-out the sides of the hull. Adjacent to the repairs it has been buffed and it looks fabulous.

To Lorens comment about TAP- they messed up my friend’s job as they made the first replacement set out of the wrong tint and the wasn’t even consistent Portlight to Portlight.
 

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PNW Jeff

Member I
On the fuel line- be aware it goes a lot of places where you won’t really be able to inspect it until you decide to pull it and get it halfway out.

Mine was hand bent. At the bends (clearly done without tools) it was shiny and not green corrosion covered on the ones with hairline cracks.
 

Slick470

Sustaining Member
Good to know, thanks. There are a couple places on the 911 where the fuel line isn't fully visible, but I also haven't tried that hard to look a the whole run recently.
 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
There are a couple places on the 911 where the fuel line isn't fully visible
Oh Yeah.
When I pulled out the factory copper fuel supply tube, they had run it under the cabin sole and then back under some structure on the starboard side. The tubing was quite beat up looking, and appeared to have been installed "at 4:45 on a Friday", as the saying used to go. :)
I re-routed both the supply and return (new USCG-approved heavy duty hoses) along the Port side behind the nav station and into the engine compartment area from behind the head hanging locker.
Over the decades, I have re-routed all hoses and factory cabling that once was in the bilge areas, FWIW. The only wiring now there is the DC supply to the refrigeration, directly across from the panel location. Oh, Well......... :(
 
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