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Prep For Haul-out 25 C/b??

briangsmith

Member II
well, it's time here in homer, alaska to start thinking about hauling out for the winter- trailer home and begin those weekend projects (through hulls, rigging, etc)- just bought her this spring, so all is new to me...

can someone with a 25 tell me how to go about preparing for, and then
unstepping the mast, trailering out, etc??? would very much appreciate
it. know i'll need about 4 people to help me lower the mast, using, what,
backstay and port and starboard stays?? slowly lower down onto, what,
padded sawhorses foredeck and cockpit??

i have a 2-axle trailer that came with the boat- just had brakes re-done and new tires- i assume a 1-ton pick-up with a 2" ball would do the trick??

so much to know, so little time!

thanks all~

brian smith
s/v sparkle plenty
homer, alaska
 

gjersvik

Member II
Brian:

The mast lowers forward and this spring I posted pictures to this site of the Ericson EZ-up system. That system has a roller (no picture) that secures to the bow.. .that piece is a wast of time as it is two far back to support the mast when unpinning the tabernacle. I usually lower the mast and then bring the base aft and set it on the cabin top on a cushion. The PO let it sit with the cushion on the hatch top and over time this will deform it. As for the actual lowering procedure I follow the one listed on this site for the EZ-up system.

On my trailer the ball is 2 5/16". Depending on how far you have to travel and the terrain will dictate the tow vehicle. I pull mine with my 6 cylinder Jeep, but it is only for 15 minutes to the lake and flat. I believe the total weight of the boat and trailer is 7,000 pounds. So check and see that the truck has that tow capacity.
 

briangsmith

Member II
thanks charlie- tho i'm unclear on what you are referring to when you say 'EZ up'- will do a search here on that. do you use backstay to control the
lowering of the mast? how many helpers?!
 

Steve Swann

Member III
Brian,

Here is an account of my learning curve with owning an E25, “Seahorse.” I am a pretty inexperienced sailor so I don’t know much. Please keep a proper perspective on what follows! I’ve made a bunch of mistakes and probably made things much more difficult and dangerous than someone more experienced. I offer the following as a path to my learning, not to begin a critique by the entire Ericson Community in tribute to my stupidity and ignorance!

I think most people will tell you that raising and lowering the mast on an Ericson 25 is not to be taken lightly because it is quite substantial. Our previous boat was an Aquarius 23, where I would simply walk the spindly stick along the deck into an upright position. The Ericson is a bigger animal so you’ll have your hands full if it is not properly equipped for the task. Seahorse did not come with the mast raising and lowering equipment - and there is a big difference in hardware between having and not having the proper items installed to raise and lower the mast! If you don’t have the setup, and have access to a boatyard or a cherry picker, you might want to consider the expense of using one of these. Regardless of your final choice, I recommend read everything you can about this procedure and pay close attention to how things should go together. Have plenty of quick thinking people at the ready to avert possible disasters. (Serve the beer after the mast is secured.)

The first time I raised my mast, I had problems holding it true to the centerline to raise it straight up – and it is mandatory that you do so otherwise you will damage your mast base. I ended up having two people standing on the ground with ropes loosely noosed around the mast at about the lower shroud tangs to keep it from swaying – and this didn’t work as well as hoped. Big lesson: NEVER raise or lower your mast in a cross-wind! Our first attempt was using the halyard winch but we continually bound up lines because we couldn’t keep a straight load onto the winch. As mentioned above, we did not have the ability to effectively prevent yaw, either. We finally got it up using a pickup truck as the “power winch” with two guys lifting and getting the mast started upwards off the horizontal position relieving the position of the worst strain on the rig. Not a great solution, but effective. Also, whenever you raise or lower your mast, always have your turnbuckles taped and standing free with no twist. It is virtually guaranteed you will bend something you didn’t want to if you don’t tape lines and shrouds into position first.

Since then, I have acquired the necessary hardware to raise and lower the mast and it works much better, but it still makes me very nervous. Make sure your rigging, hardware, and fittings are first class, as-new, and properly sized. Jeff Marble (E25, “Amigo” in Fairfield, ID) had a fitting fail last year lowering his mast when it neared the deck (where you’ll obviously have the most strain) that broke his tabernacle base and his forward hatch. It only fell from two feet and he was lucky he didn’t do far more damage. Jeff graciously allowed me to pirate hardware off Amigo which I sent to West Marine for replication.

Here are a couple more quick comments and observations you might want to consider. Most of my knowledge has come from making big mistakes; I’ll pass on a few preventative comments.

Make sure with your trailer that you maintain well greased bearings (but do not overfill and blow the seals). Remember, when you launch from towing any distance at all, your trailer bearings will likely be warm and when they hit the cold water, they will suck it in. I always grease them before putting in the water and then nightly when on a long road trip. Keep a new set of bearings in your parts kit and disassemble them at least once a season for inspection and repacking.

When you finally get your boat on the hard, take a few minutes to take the mahogany face plate off your compression post and inspect the contents. It won’t take you long, but you may be surprised what you may find. I found a vacant 3-story mouse house and the centerboard line twisted on itself two full turns. No wonder the centerboard seemed difficult to lower and raise! Also, unfortunately, these centerboards have a tendency to split on the trailing edge (out of sight in the retract position – of course). Amigo’s and Seahorse’s were no exception. Make sure this has not happened to yours. If it is split, it will tend to swell and you may not get it fully retracted. Carefully inspect your cb pivot pin as well. The board weighs about 150 lbs. made of a lead plate encased in fill and fiberglass so it will make a pretty good thud when it comes loose from the boat if you aren’t prepared – and I doubt if it floats.

I tow with a crew cab F350 Powerstroke. On some steeper ramps especially with loose sand and gravel, I actually need to engage the 4 wheel drive to get moving! A one-ton is more than adequate and I have easily hauled from Florida to Idaho at 70+ mph. Any good three-quarter ton would be good if you are towing any distance. Lighter duty trucks than this probably aren’t the best choice. These are pretty big trailerable boats (mfg. lists them at 5,400 lbs.) and when you get your cruising gear on them, tanks full, and adding the trailer’s weight, I think 7,000 lbs. might be a bit on the light side.

One final thought and I’ll shut up: When launching and retrieving, there are a lot of things to do. As a pilot, I find having a custom checklist reduces the possibility that I don’t forget something really important - like disconnecting the electrical connection to the truck before backing into the water.

Again, these are just rambling thoughts and comments from someone who is old enough to know better. And, consider what you paid for this advice; it is probably stuff you already knew.

Steve
 

Bob in Va

Member III
More details

While most of my experience raising/lowering the mast has been with the E23, a good friend of mine had an E25 and I believe the process is essentially the same, as the mast sections are identical and the spar differs only in length. If your boat has the optional raised pedestal with "ears," with a pin running crossways through a hole in the mast, and the mast is cut away and rounded on the front of its base, your job will be easier, but some boats have only a cast alloy base about an inch high that is bolted to the cabintop, and onto which the base of the mast sits when in raised position. If your boat is like that, you will want to add a hinge at the base - Dwyer Spars has one that works well (#2150) for about $55 last time I checked. This holds the end of the mast in place while raising/lowering and makes the whole process easier and safer. As has been noted previously, the trick is to keep the mast from swaying and falling off to one side. This is controlled by the shrouds for about the upper half of the drop, and a "bridle" for the lower half. You want to use the boom as a gin pole, having it well secured to the mast so that it can not slide up or down. I like to locate it a little above the cut-out in the slug groove - say, a foot or so. You attach the main halyard to the back end of the boom, and cleat it WELL to the mast, so that the boom is at right angles to the mast. So now you have a big right triangle that is rigid fore and aft once you put tension on the boom. Now attach blocks to each of the stern cleats, and a double block to the end of the boom. Here is where you use mechanical advantage to save you money by not needing so many people to help you with the job (you won't have to buy as much beer) - I raise and lower mine with one other guy twice a year and some people tell me they do it alone. You tie one end of about 60' of 3/8" or larger line to the port stern cleat, run it through a sheave on the double block (end of the boom), down through the starboard block, back through the other sheave on the double block, down through the port block, and forward to a port winch. This gives you a 4 to 1 advantage to the winch, which is about 3 to 1, for a net 12 to 1. Now just ease the winch to take it down, or crank it to raise. The hardest part is rasing the masthead about the first 10 feet - after that it will get progressively easier. Some guys use a Y-shaped support to help it up, others use a ladder or a 2x6 or anything similar that they can handle. VERY IMPORTANT: 1. Loosen the uppers as much as possible without compromising their holding strength (you don't want them on their last two or three threads in the turnbuckles). These slack uppers will keep the mast from wandering very far to either side. 2. Take the lowers completely off at the turnbuckles. 3. You must have a bridle to keep the boom relatively true fore and a aft. This won't come into play until the mast is about half way down, but then the uppers will no longer help align the mast, and it can sway/fall off and become very hard to handle - big damage can result. The bridle looks like the letter "V" with an eye at each end and the bottom. It can be made of strong 5/16" line, but mine is of vinyl coated wire with eyes nicopressed at the ends. The center eye attaches to the boom bail, and the ends to the chainplates (where the lowers were taken off). There is quite a bit of slack in this bridle when starting down, but it will tighten up as the mast lowers. Because it centers the boom as the mast is lowered, it keeps the mast centered too. Before doing all this for the first time, I built a mock-up of sticks and thread on my kitchen table to satisfy myself it would work. I was amazed at the rigidity of the system if the lengths were adjusted correctly. With a hinge, you don't have to worry about the base of the mast moving around, only about weighting it sufficiently so that it doesn't rock forward when the hinge pin is pulled out. I put a cushion on the pulpit to support the mast, lay my own weight on the base end, and can (barely) control it that way. I can send you a diagram and photos if you want more info. My boat is "TigerEye" and is listed in the owners' section under E23-2. Good luck - it isn't nearly as hard as it sounds.
 

Chad and Sandy

Member II
Unstepping the mast

Hi Brian,

Here is my tuppance worth on getting the mast down... or up for that matter. I just use two strong men and hand over hand it. Its quick and easy but it is a little wobbly especially when it is in the water and not on trailer. Three people are better though. The third person would be pulling on the back stay then pinning it when the mast is up.

Steve Swann is right when he says the boat weighs more like 5500lbs. or so. My E25 and trailer together weighs 7500lbs abnd thats with two batterys, outboard, gas tank, ect. ect. I use a F150 4x4 crew cab with a 5.4L engine to pull the whole shebang. It does this fairly well but I did have an experience where the tail tried to wag the dog if you know what I mean. A salesman at a Ford dealership told me that I needed a load equalizer hitch with antisway bar would take care of that problem, but then again, bigger is better.

Well, what did you expect for a tuppence. The other guys have alot of good advice that should not be ignored.

Fair winds and full sails,

Chad
 

gjersvik

Member II
Brian:

I could not figure out how to post a link to the thread, but if you search for all threads I posted and then go to the one titled "E-25 Ez-Up System" You will see the photos and measurements. The brochure on the system is located in the Specs & Documents section.

If you want the easiest way to lower the mast, have someone with a boom truck lower it to the deck. Just make sure to loop the lowering line under the lower shroud brackets and not under the spreader brackets.
 
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