Sidnewport
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Question: Sailboatdata lists the standard draft of an Ericson 28-2 at 4 ft. My boat looks pretty standard, but the bottom of the keel to the waterline is closer to 6 ft. So is my boat nonstandard, of is Sailboatdata wrong?
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Ericson 28-2 draft
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Sidnewport
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Apparently so... Sailboatdata shows the full keel, but labels the draft as 4 ft.
To change the subject a little, since you are another E28-2 owner (I am hull # 667), I wonder if you have solved the Lazy Jack problem. I have figured that it makes sense to mount them below the spreaders and above the lower shrouds. But as you know, there is not much available real estate there. I am particularly curious if you have any idea of the hardware inside the mast that supports the shroud toggle. I would not want to drill in there and hit stainless from the internal mount.
Afrakes
Sustaining Member
We have a sail cradle. Combination of sail cover and lazy jacks. Our upper blocks are located above the spreaders. The cradle instructions indicated that the upper blocks be positioned 45% of the mast length down from the masthead. The cradle runs the full length of the boom, and the location of the attachment points may dictate the height of the upper blocks. What measurement is specified in the instructions that came with the lazy jacks?
My mast is a Lefeill (sp) not a Kenyon. The internal reinforcement runs 3" above the shroud opening and 3" below. I would think that the Kenyon would be about the same. Our booms (one spare) are both Kenyon.
My mast is a Lefeill (sp) not a Kenyon. The internal reinforcement runs 3" above the shroud opening and 3" below. I would think that the Kenyon would be about the same. Our booms (one spare) are both Kenyon.
Sidnewport
Member II
Are your spreaders aero shaped(with a raindrop cross section (pointy on the aft side)? I'd worry about cutting up the LJ lines if they rubbed against the shrouds. I was going to use a Harken kit that has a covered wire on top, but a the height they recommended, it was possible to catch the end of the shrouds downwind. I suppose I could have mounted them higher up, but I decided to go with a retractable system and am having trouble figuring our where to put them.
I would not trust them above the spreaders, as the lines would sit against the aft side of the spreaders when retracted and get chewed up.
So the area of choice would be just below the spreaders, in the area of the lower shrouds. I an concerned as to what I can attach there without encountering the stainless fitting unside.
An AI weenie suggested attaching to the shroud itself with a wire clamp. That is tempting, but I am leery of attaching anything to that. Though I do have a shroud cleat on the upper shrouds lower down.
Afrakes
Sustaining Member
The trailing edges of my spreaders are rounded with no sharp spots. The spreader ends closer to the mast, where the lines from the sail cradle rub is even more rounded. I think your fears of the lazy jack support lines suffering wear might be over blown. It's not like these lines are actively running over that rounded trailing edge on a constant basis. My spreaders don't show any wear at the point of contact. I realize that my situation is significantly different as my mast is only up for six months out of the year. Still, I think that the angle of attack of the lines connected to the boom should be your main concern. By the way have you already purchased the lazy jacks?
I have always thought that EY tended to produce more deep draft versions of their models solely due to their belief in higher performance. They were selling into a market segment that was willing to pay more for Quality and above average Sailing Performance.
There were almost always shoal draft keels offered for buyers in shallow water areas. That provided a viable customer alternative for their decision to go with external lead keels in the 80's (besides somewhat higher performance potential).
Note B: Saiboatdata seems to be a combination of preserved brochure info and crowd sourced info, and can have errors. They seem willing to receive corrections but are hit-n-miss about applying them, in my experience.
For most of us, we buy our used boats and look closely a the survey and often apply our own tape measure for draft when the boat is hauled for survey or any other reason.
And then we keep track of the reading on the depth sounder as we (inevitably) run aground a few times during our first season or two of ownership. We realize that the "brochure" info likely reflects what the NA called "light load" draft. It's not uncommon for a boat to draw a few inches more than the brochure would lead you to expect.
Overnighting/cruising will inevitably add some weight and draft to a boat. Cans of food, spare lube oil, and a set of pots n pans and.... Etc. That spare anchor/chain/rode... rail BBQ and propane bottles... And all the little bits that make overnighting pleasurable. And, Refrigeration !!
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Sidnewport
Member II
Do you have a reference for the manual?
Because of the listing in sailboatdata, Phrf-nb is double charging me for having the standard 28-2 keel... 9 points for having the standard version ether than the SD version, and an additional 9 points for the 1. 5 extra ft of keel depth.
Sidnewport
Member II
I mounted mine just below the spreaders... I have not attached to the boom yet, and they are supposed to be retractable, but by AI that they shoulf work fine. I do know that without really competent crew to do the folding, my brand new main will get destroyed fast if I don't get Lazy Jacks to cradle them until we get to the slip.
AK67
Member III
Confirming on the 5'6" for mine as well. FWIW, if you scroll way down on the Sailboatdata page, under "Notes", it refers to the deep draft "competition" keel @ 5.5'/1.68m. https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/ericson-28-2/
In addition to the specs page that Al shared, it's also addressed in Section 1.3 of the manual
In addition to the specs page that Al shared, it's also addressed in Section 1.3 of the manual
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Sidnewport
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Thankd for the manual... Just what I need. It seems they some people refer to the two versions as Standard and Performance, Some refer to them as Standard and Shallow Draft. PHRF has two versions Ericson 28-2 with a base handicap of 189, and an Ericson 28-2 SD with a base handicap of 198. Presumably the only difference is the keel depth. But apparently in the PHRF-NB files, the keel depth is the same 4 ft, so for my 28-2, they give me the base handicap of 189 and penalize me an additional 9 points for the deeper draft. A double penalty. Yikes.
AK67
Member III
I always wondered if there were any other "competition/deep draft" version differences. Eg is the ballast weight the same? How about the other ratios? Haven't found any resources.