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Ericson 27 vs...
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Kevin Johnston
Member III
Diesel stovetop
I would be worried about the soot that a diesel stovetop would put out. Anyone else out there have an option on this?
The princess stovetops are easy to maintain and parts are still readily available. I recently purchased a propane two burner stainless steel camp stove made by Brinkman that has been a great back up or when I want to cook top side. Purchased at Home depot for $35 dollars (can't beat the price).
I would be worried about the soot that a diesel stovetop would put out. Anyone else out there have an option on this?
The princess stovetops are easy to maintain and parts are still readily available. I recently purchased a propane two burner stainless steel camp stove made by Brinkman that has been a great back up or when I want to cook top side. Purchased at Home depot for $35 dollars (can't beat the price).
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Matt, I told you this was an amazing site, I've been looking for a replacement for my ol' green, rusting Coleman white gas(dangerous) 2-burner camping/boat stove. Thanks Kevin!!!
obiwanrazzy
Member II
Soot
Yes, that is my one great concern with putting in a diesel stove.. I've some friends with a dickenson on their boat; I'll have to ask them how it is.
Definately can go the camp stove route for cooking, topside at least. I'd be a little worried about using it in the cabin.
Yes, that is my one great concern with putting in a diesel stove.. I've some friends with a dickenson on their boat; I'll have to ask them how it is.
Definately can go the camp stove route for cooking, topside at least. I'd be a little worried about using it in the cabin.
wurzner
Member III
Origo 1500 Tabletop
On my old Ericson 32, I replaced the alcohol stove with an Origon 6000 stove/oven. If you don't need the oven, just get the 2 burner top. It's an unpressurized sytem like sterno. The stove/oven was 1300, but the 2 burner is around 400 or less.
Also, I would definately keep the wheel. My 32 had the tiller post in front of the wheel and had a nice 5 foot tiller. I LOVE tillers for racing, but would NEVER replace a wheel and go to a tiller...it would be like going from an automobile back to horse and buggy in my opinion. The wheel gives you the option to position yourself in a lot of different locations for sail trim and visibility. I love the responsiveness of the tiller and they have their merit, but not the the point of removing it.
Propane is a real pain, and diesel will stink and put soot until it is warmed up. My 02 cents.
Shaun
On my old Ericson 32, I replaced the alcohol stove with an Origon 6000 stove/oven. If you don't need the oven, just get the 2 burner top. It's an unpressurized sytem like sterno. The stove/oven was 1300, but the 2 burner is around 400 or less.
Also, I would definately keep the wheel. My 32 had the tiller post in front of the wheel and had a nice 5 foot tiller. I LOVE tillers for racing, but would NEVER replace a wheel and go to a tiller...it would be like going from an automobile back to horse and buggy in my opinion. The wheel gives you the option to position yourself in a lot of different locations for sail trim and visibility. I love the responsiveness of the tiller and they have their merit, but not the the point of removing it.
Propane is a real pain, and diesel will stink and put soot until it is warmed up. My 02 cents.
Shaun
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We have an Origo 6000 on our 34 footer. After kind of ignoring the oven for years we have started baking cinnamon roles in it almost every over night trip the last couple of years... Mmmm...
Loren
i'm about to do this on my 27, with a stove only setup (Origo 4100 i think is the number, the one with the cutting board). i'll take some photos of the process for the "projects" section of this site, for anyone interested. i believe it will involve some assistance from my neighbor the cabinet maker, which should add to the intrigue.
obiwanrazzy
Member II
Surveyed today
Here are some pics from the survey. The guy kept remarking how amazing the condition was. He was pretty impressed overall.
Here are some pics from the survey. The guy kept remarking how amazing the condition was. He was pretty impressed overall.
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Kevin Johnston
Member III
Your boat
Boy she really shines below. The high gloss finish on the interior teak is beautiful. Good luck.
KJ
Boy she really shines below. The high gloss finish on the interior teak is beautiful. Good luck.
KJ
All that varnished wood below will make'r the "brightest" 27 around. Should just need one small candle to light'er up @ night!
I,ve got a cute little "brass" enclosed CANDLE LANTERN by uco, safe and really small. I think most camping places would carry them.
PO must be a real "boat guy"(good for you), to have sprung for all those "sunbrella" covers.
You must be pretty proud about now. When I bought my E23 it was sitting on the trailer w/ 2 flats and covered in leaves and dirty as hell. Took me a week to bring'er back(it was only 6 years old @ the time)
I,ve got a cute little "brass" enclosed CANDLE LANTERN by uco, safe and really small. I think most camping places would carry them.
PO must be a real "boat guy"(good for you), to have sprung for all those "sunbrella" covers.
You must be pretty proud about now. When I bought my E23 it was sitting on the trailer w/ 2 flats and covered in leaves and dirty as hell. Took me a week to bring'er back(it was only 6 years old @ the time)
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IMHO the car analogy is a "good" visual image, are we sailing cars?
Wheels are appropriate for large sailboats, but on a 27 the same "flexibility" of position can be achieved w/ a telescoping "hiking stick", w/o having a wheel in the way.
It's again, MO that "learning" to sail w/ a tiller is a more expedient way to understand the interactions of sail trim and helm input, allowing you to better "feel" the hulls reaction to the wind. I doubt if there are many "small boat sailing schools" that employ wheel steering.
It's up to Matt
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Kevin Johnston
Member III
Wheel vs. Thiller
I agree with Steve on this point. A tiller gives you greater flexiblity than a wheel on small sailboats. Positioning yourself on the rail with a tiller extentions provides a better balance on smaller boats to use crew including yourself to off set heel. I love sitting up on the rail and a wheel would really restrict my abilities to do that.
I agree with Steve on this point. A tiller gives you greater flexiblity than a wheel on small sailboats. Positioning yourself on the rail with a tiller extentions provides a better balance on smaller boats to use crew including yourself to off set heel. I love sitting up on the rail and a wheel would really restrict my abilities to do that.
ragamuffin
Member II
My E27 has a tiller, as have all my boats (1932 custom 32' wooden yawl Columbia 26), you can really feel the boat and helm and think you have more control and can respond faster to course changes and power boats that think they are driving a car. if I want to steer like a car I pull the rudder all the way back and the boat will go the way you push the tiller (just like a car) reverse tillering 
. I like it because I can stand back in the cockpit or sit up on the transom rail and have a great view.
Come to think of it I don't think I ever sailed a boat with a wheel hmm am I missing out? My wife hates the tiller and wants a wheel when we get a big boat.
. I like it because I can stand back in the cockpit or sit up on the transom rail and have a great view.Come to think of it I don't think I ever sailed a boat with a wheel hmm am I missing out? My wife hates the tiller and wants a wheel when we get a big boat.
Wheels on Small Boats
Back in the 70's "everybody" thought they "needed" a wheel!
A freind of mine bought a brand new Venture 21(not my 1st choice) and he was determined to have a wheel, so I helped him install it. It really looked stupid on such a small boat!
He had never owned a sailboat so he thought it would be easier to learn w/ a wheel(drives like a car & his powerboat). By the time I returned for a visit, the wheel was gone, and he was "happy as a clam" w/ the tiller. It freed up more space in the cockpit!
Ragamuffin, I really wish I could do that "back assward" tiller thing w/ mine!!!
Back in the 70's "everybody" thought they "needed" a wheel!
A freind of mine bought a brand new Venture 21(not my 1st choice) and he was determined to have a wheel, so I helped him install it. It really looked stupid on such a small boat!
He had never owned a sailboat so he thought it would be easier to learn w/ a wheel(drives like a car & his powerboat). By the time I returned for a visit, the wheel was gone, and he was "happy as a clam"
w/ the tiller. It freed up more space in the cockpit!Ragamuffin, I really wish I could do that "back assward" tiller thing w/ mine!!!
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obiwanrazzy
Member II
My wife also was pro-wheel during our search...
Having sailed both (within the limited sailing that I've done), I have a slight prefference for the tiller myself. I'm just not sure it's a strong enough prefference for me to remove the pedestal at this point. Having a wheel certainly didn't outweigh all of the other factors in buying this particular boat.
We'll see what I think after sailing it for a few months.
Having sailed both (within the limited sailing that I've done), I have a slight prefference for the tiller myself. I'm just not sure it's a strong enough prefference for me to remove the pedestal at this point. Having a wheel certainly didn't outweigh all of the other factors in buying this particular boat.
We'll see what I think after sailing it for a few months.
Opinions
Above all else, you must keep the admiral "happy"!
One thing about this site, it does"overfloweth" w/ opinions! We can get carried away @ times!
Did you get some "wheel time" in over the weekend?
Above all else, you must keep the admiral "happy"!
One thing about this site, it does"overfloweth" w/ opinions! We can get carried away @ times!
Did you get some "wheel time" in over the weekend?
obiwanrazzy
Member II
Wheel time
No time in this weekend. She'll be down in Tacoma untill mid-Nov at least. I'll have her home for Christmas if not Thanksgiving!
No time in this weekend. She'll be down in Tacoma untill mid-Nov at least. I'll have her home for Christmas if not Thanksgiving!
obiwanrazzy
Member II
Home in time for Thanksgiving
Well, I brought Stardust up from Tacoma to Everett this weekend.
Saturday was pretty dreary for the most part. Lots of rain, a little fog and no wind all morning. The skies cleared and the wind picked up when we were coming in to Seattle, so we got the sails up for the last little bit before coming in to Shilshole.
Stayed the night and finished the trip on Sunday. Cold, not much for wind and I was single handed, so it was the iron sail all the way in to Everett.
Everything pretty much went off without a hitch. All in all she's a fine boat under sail and power. I couldn't be happier.
Well, I brought Stardust up from Tacoma to Everett this weekend.
Saturday was pretty dreary for the most part. Lots of rain, a little fog and no wind all morning. The skies cleared and the wind picked up when we were coming in to Seattle, so we got the sails up for the last little bit before coming in to Shilshole.
Stayed the night and finished the trip on Sunday. Cold, not much for wind and I was single handed, so it was the iron sail all the way in to Everett.
Everything pretty much went off without a hitch. All in all she's a fine boat under sail and power. I couldn't be happier.