A sailing skipper acts dumb

[Sven]

http://yachtpals.com/yacht-crash-9423

You are only the stand-on vessel if the other vessel can do anything to avoid the collision.



-Sven

 

[Vagabond39]

Hubris:

Those that DEPEND on others to save their lives DESERVE to go DOWN with their Boat. I do not know the Gross tonnage of the tanker, or the water depth where this occured, but I do know that several miles are required to stop one. And Considerable distance to turn one, if the water is deep enough for it to manuver.
However, the spinnaker does look nice decorating the anchor.
I geuss that that Capitan depends on his children to pack his parachute.

 

[exoduse35]

I've run a bunch of auto races in my time... On land or sea You have to finish to win! We could pay off the national debt with the damaged machinery cost of "racers" who forget this! I can't tell you how many times I let someone pass just to see them wrecked a few minutes later. Winning comes from skill more than luck, and the most important skill is to look at what is going around you and not just the finish line!

 

[treilley]

I've run a bunch of auto races in my time... On land or sea You have to finish to win! We could pay off the national debt with the damaged machinery cost of "racers" who forget this! I can't tell you how many times I let someone pass just to see them wrecked a few minutes later. Winning comes from skill more than luck, and the most important skill is to look at what is going around you and not just the finish line!

My favorite racer, Jimmy Vassar, achieved greatness through consistency. He was known to finish races. Not always in first but you still get points for 3rd, 5th 8th, etc. He won the CART championship that way.

BTW, I also used to race cars but have given it up due to geographic limitations. And sailing being my favorite hobby, there is no time for auto racing any more.

 

[Sven]

Couldn't agree more.

When I was dinghy racing in my teens we were told that winners don't get into protests and in the long run that certainly proves itself.

While you are obliged to hold your course as the stand on vessel that is for the purpose of being predictable from the perspective of the other skipper. When the give way skipper is not responding or can not respond in manner to avoid a possible collision you are equally responsible for doing everything to avert a collision.



-Sven

 

[Vagabond39]

Automated Bridges.

Being the Stand on Vessle, imposes certain restrictions. However, in todays enviroment in automated ship control, and often unmaned bridges, it does NOT require susicide.
Clearly signaling your intention to change course, and to which directions is required.
Being the BUG on the Windshield is NOT.

 

[Sven]

Being the Stand on Vessle, imposes certain restrictions. However, in todays enviroment in automated ship control, and often unmaned bridges, it does NOT require susicide.
Clearly signaling your intention to change course, and to which directions is required.
Being the BUG on the Windshield is NOT.

What I said



-Sven

 

[Sam Vickery]

Yes, yes.....................the burden of privilege.


Sam
1986 32-3

 

[Vagabond39]

Force = Mass x Velocity

many sailboat owners consider their boat underpowered, unmanouverable, and with limited visability forward.
Consider a Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC) or a Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), with a draft that may be 100 feet. It takes miles to get one up to speed, and miles to stop one. Turning one again takes time and distance. The title refers to the tankers, as the sailboat has very little mass, and negligible speed.
Even NUCLER POWERED SUBMARINES Keep a safe distance from Crude Carriers.
That long profile has a lot of suction to pull a small craft into it.

 

[exoduse35]

I guess that is why the tanker never even twitched in the video. And the screams heard from the sailboat were clearly " NO MASS...NO MASS" I was once told as a kid that you could derail a train by putting a penny on the track. A few years ago while working alongside a track I put it to the test. Results... It does not work. Also of note I lost several cents. At first I thought they viberated off, then were shot out, then getting welded to the wheels and carried off. Finally, in desperation, I duct taped over a couple I set on the track. I cannot explain it, but after the train passed the tape was completely in tact but the coins vanished! Kinda like a sailboat getting run over by a tanker!!!! Edd

 

[Sven]

Finally, in desperation, I duct taped over a couple I set on the track. I cannot explain it, but after the train passed the tape was completely in tact but the coins vanished!

Really ? Must have been a train run by robber barons.

We used to do that all the time with various coins to get neat but useless absolutely smooth thin oblong metal pieces. No tape needed. Maybe Swedish money is stronger ?

If we did that here today the TSA would probably run us through the pornoscanner repeatedly as initial punishment, before putting us on a serial money-offender list for life. :0



-Sven

 

[CaptDan]

http://yachtpals.com/yacht-crash-9423

You are only the stand-on vessel if the other vessel can do anything to avoid the collision.



-Sven

Uh, what?

The sailboat in this case (or really - ANY similar case) didn't HAVE the right of way. Hence, if the skipper erroneously believed he was the stand on vessel, it certainly wouldn't stand up in court - let alone with his mast attached.

COLREGS state that motor vessels must give way to vessels sailing (meaning vessels UNDER SAIL). But, that's only part of the story. Vessels over 20 meters, which can only safely navigate in narrow channels (deep water schemes-Rule 9), have right of way over most other vessels. Exceptions might include those even more restricted in ability to maneuver. (Tugs pushing barges, for example.) In those cases, pilots, masters, and collision avoidance orgs like VTS intercede and manage the situations.

Old news to you wise Vikings, but if you see a big freighter, steer WELL clear of her course. Regatta or otherwise.

Capt Dan G>E35II "Kunu"

 

[Sven]

Uh, what?

It is very simple, you can no longer be the standon vessel when the other vessel has no way to avoid you.



-Sven

 

[ignacio]

Seems like this applies?

Seems like this applies (in bold)? Of course, it assumes the skipper of the sailing vessel is aware that the other vessel is restricted in her ability to maneuver.

Rule 18
Responsibilities Between Vessels

Except where rule 9, 10, and 13 otherwise require:


(a)A power driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:

• (i)a vessel not under command;
• (ii)a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
• (iii)a vessel engaged in fishing;
• (iv)a sailing vessel;

(b) A sailing vessel under way shall keep out of the way of:

• (i)a vessel not under command;
• (ii)a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
• (iii)a vessel engaged in fishing;

 

[CaptDan]

Seems like this applies (in bold)?

Yes.

Of course, it assumes the skipper of the sailing vessel is aware that the other vessel is restricted in her ability to maneuver.

To assume otherwise is to be ignorant. And you know what they say about ignorance and the law (let alone common sense. )

What Sven is alluding to isn't offbase either. It's essentially Rule #1: a vessel must take all reasonable action to avoid a collision. But reason' is a multi faceted concept; knowing the rules is one facet. Knowing what to do and how to do it in a 'pucker moment' is another. So, if you're the master of a 500 foot tanker and a small craft crosses your course - which is the more reasonable action? Running it down because you can't avoid it - or running aground and risking spilling 100 thousand gallons of crude?

Capt Dan G>E35II "Kunu"

 

[Carefree Sailor]

A different perspective

While the responses to this thread have pretty much been devoted to "the rules of the road", I believe the issue is not ignorance of the rules but too much male testosterone. Certainly any sane helmsman would have seen the ship or been alerted by crew and corrected course. However, it appears to me that the mindset was "I can cross in time" -- and just about did!

 

[ignacio]

While the responses to this thread have pretty much been devoted to "the rules of the road", I believe the issue is not ignorance of the rules but too much male testosterone. Certainly any sane helmsman would have seen the ship or been alerted by crew and corrected course. However, it appears to me that the mindset was "I can cross in time" -- and just about did!

Agree! And with that many tons of steel headed one's way, I'd say any personality or biological trait would be the least of one's problems.

 

[CaptDan]

I believe the issue is not ignorance of the rules but too much male testosterone.

Of course, it's possible the latter could factor into the former. To wit:

Several years ago, a charter boat I was running had occasion to suffer its owner at the helm. After
a beer (or seven), the gent thought it might be charming to attempt a crossing of the shipping channel as a 3000ton freighter was a outbound 1/4 mile away. A 3 knot adverse current added to the excitement.

Long story short, he was forcibly relieved of duty before he killed everybody aboard.

Capt Dan G>E35II "Kunu"

 

[mherrcat]

Long story short, he was forcibly relieved of duty before he killed everybody aboard.

Maybe mutiny would have saved this boat...

 

[Sven]

What Sven is alluding to isn't offbase either.

As a matter of fact it is 100% accurate



-Sven