E38-200 Offer Accepted - Sea Trial, Survey, Closing, and RELOCATION on the horizon

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, E35-3 purchased 7/21
Our previous (and only other) owner always painted the rudder white, a practice we continue. The boat has been hauled every year for New England winters. This is purely anecdotal, but it seems solid and dry. Some sort of protection from solar heat seems warranted for boats spending extended time out of the water. This isn't much help for remediating an inherited wet rudder, however. - fwiw
 

JP in Sandusky

E38 on Lake Erie
Pics of opened up rudder. The foam was waterlogged. Not sure how bad yours is (you don't really know until you open it up), but at a minimum, you'll probably want to address the ingress points (rudder stock and seams). I also found a considerable amount of water would seep up into the rudder stock tube!
I just watched a couple of videos on doing this. It seems straightforward. Tedious, probably, but straightforward. I am a pretty regular woodworker, and I've dabbled in epoxies enough. I am starting to make a "future" list, and the rudder is currently at #1 to figure out. (Well, technically, the "stiff" throttle cable is #1, but I am hoping that is a <2 hour bit of trouble-shooting.)

Thanks for the pictures. It gave me a good idea of how to start thinking about the potential fix. Finding anything on youtube took a little more searching than usual.

I am thinking that painting white/gray will be the way to go, at least for the rudder. The boat had no other blisters on it, that I could find.
 

AK67

Member III
I just watched a couple of videos on doing this. It seems straightforward. Tedious, probably, but straightforward. I am a pretty regular woodworker, and I've dabbled in epoxies enough. I am starting to make a "future" list, and the rudder is currently at #1 to figure out. (Well, technically, the "stiff" throttle cable is #1, but I am hoping that is a <2 hour bit of trouble-shooting.)

Thanks for the pictures. It gave me a good idea of how to start thinking about the potential fix. Finding anything on youtube took a little more searching than usual.

I am thinking that painting white/gray will be the way to go, at least for the rudder. The boat had no other blisters on it, that I could find.
Glad it helped. I would have had a go if it was isolated, but opening up and refoaming basically the whole thing and then refairing the rudder being uncertain of my skills to get the geometry correct was too big of a leap. I was hoping to get her into the water and so left it to the pros. They did a great job and came in under budget, but I ran into other issues. No blisters is definitely good!

Good luck with the throttle cable; likely to be either at the throttle governor linkage on the engine, or tension in the pedestal. If the latter, I found this thread by Christian very helpful https://ericsonyachts.org/ie/thread...-disassembly-with-photos-master-thread.14133/ when I dealt with mine.
 

Prairie Schooner

Jeff & Donna, E35-3 purchased 7/21
Jeremy,
Did you decide to have the boat moved by truck? Are you able to transport the cradle too? You had some trepidation about the move. How's it going? Or did you detail this already and I missed it?
J
 

Rosco

Exploring the BC Coast E35-2, Yanmar 3GM30
Happy day! ? !
Our offer on an E38-200 that I saw posted here (so the seller might still be here) has been accepted. Long post, I apologize.

About Us.
New to sailing. That is correct. New to sailing. ASA 101, 103, 104 this year, out of Blue Water Sailing School in Ft Lauderdale for both me and my wife. Courses were on a Dufour 43, which really got me thinking about skipping the "trailer sailor" phase. We felt fairly comfortable handling the 13.5' wide and 43' long Dufour in the marina and ICW after just a day or so. (And the ICW out of Miami and Ft L is BUSY!) We had an accepted offer on a Tartan 33 earlier this year. That deal fell apart after survey. I liked that boat, but I always "knew" the "walk-through wet head" lay-out would be a problematic for my family. That said, I had read a 32-34' fractional rig was a great "first" cruiser boat, and the boat was already kept at the sailing club we joined.

So why buy a masthead rig, 38' boat this early into things, not local? Well, the market seems right, if you are buying without needing to sell, and I just wasn't finding what I wanted in Ohio.

Ericson, Pearson, and Tartan have always been my shortlist manufacturers. An E-35-3 or 38-200 were my preferred boats. (Spouse, 2 of 4 kids still home, and we need something we can stay on when we go to the lake.) Assume occasional single-handing, often short-handing WITH 2-4 guests aboard, sometimes middle schoolers, sometimes my retired parents, or both.

We will be sailing in Lake Erie, which has a reputation for weather that can come on fast and hard, which is another reason I leaned away from starting out with a 22' boat. (Lake Erie is shallow, long east to west, the same direction the weather travels. Wave timing can be short. Storms can stir things up like a shallow bathtub with half an hour notice.) I went with the "buy the boat you want for the next decade, not the next couple of years" approach, and now I'm a little intimidated about the entire process and the steep early learning curve for owning a 16,000lb boat.

But.

I've have an accepted offer on what I believe is a good 38-200 for a good price.....but dang if it isn't 2 states away. I toyed with the idea of taking her into the famous New York (Erie) canal system. The idea of laying that mast down and then going through 28 locks, some of which drop a couple of stories in height, on a boat I don't know yet.....well, I am not ready for that adventure. Not now. Maybe not ever. I really did try to find what I wanted already on Lake Erie, I really did.....sigh.

So.

Long-time lurker, first time poster. I am absorbing as much information as I can.

What should I look out for in a sea trial and survey for a 38-200? Common issues that are specific to this model? The boat is "always freshwater," being moved to freshwater. She has always been a "short season" boat and will remain so. Engine hours are <1500. Sails and standing rigging might be original, which is actually a bit more common around here than I expected.

Any advice on finding, arranging, preparing for truck transport? (Ideally with cradle, since I hate to leave that behind.) In your opinion, leave her on the hard over winter where she is, and then move in the spring? Move her then place her on the hard closer to home this fall? Pay the yard to prepare for transport, or do it myself? Leave the mast off for the winter and remast in the spring? Options, options.....too many options.

I'm a hands-on guy, but there is 12 hours between me and this boat, which is making this more stressful than I assume is normal. Any help is appreciated. Happy to chat via private message for anyone that prefers.
Be sure to wrap it for transport. We import to Van BC from Florida often so that would be my 2 cents. Move it when there are fewer trucks on the hwy. I'd say Fall before the snow falls and also the cold should be an issue with a pair of good heaters (Marine of course) I would get it up to your area rather than leave her there. It will drive you crazy.
 

JP in Sandusky

E38 on Lake Erie
Jeremy,
Did you decide to have the boat moved by truck? Are you able to transport the cradle too? You had some trepidation about the move. How's it going? Or did you detail this already and I missed it?
J
Sorry for the lagging responses. We closed on the boat on Monday, and moved her across Lake Champlain on Tuesday. Pulled the stick on Wednesday. Winterized systems and stowed everything low and tight this morning. It has been an eventful week. (Staying on the boat during the work was a good thing, but it made things feel more crazy at the same time.)

Truck comes for her next Tuesday. Recommended carrier, and both yards had positive things to say about the outfit and his air-ride low-boy. I won't see the haul-out or the freighting, but the yard was extremely professional this week. I am hopeful.

The mast will not be re-stepped until spring, but I am thinking I should reset the spreaders and wire the shrouds back this fall. (?)
 

JP in Sandusky

E38 on Lake Erie
Is that Moonshadow?
It is indeed! I wasn't sure about sharing the specific vessel until after survey and closing.

Everything has gone quite smoothly, though, and we are very pleased with the condition of Moon Shadow. To my novice eyes, she seems to have been genuinely set-up for proper cruising. Lots of little details have been thought through, and the condition screams that she was well loved for long time.

With the mast pulled, I am thinking through any electronics upgrades that would be easier now, but..... I have promised myself repeatedly that I would leave everything unchanged for at least 12 full months. ;)

After the visiting the Shelburne area, I am envious of anyone that gets to spend summers there.
 

Filkee

Sustaining Member
I miss Moonshadow out there on the fairway. I had just managed to convince my wife that we should try for her when you closed the deal. I'm sure you'll treat her well.
 

JP in Sandusky

E38 on Lake Erie
I miss Moonshadow out there on the fairway. I had just managed to convince my wife that we should try for her when you closed the deal. I'm sure you'll treat her well.
I had the advantage of not currently owning a boat that would need to be sold. Everyone I met around Shelburne seemed to have more than one boat, but it would be difficult for me to afford the time and expense of owning more than one.

I feel quite fortunate to have found an Ericson in such good shape. We will take good care.
 

insular

New Member
If anyone here is out of Sandusky Sailing Club (SSC), or in the area generally, I'm now on the hunt to find reputable vendors/gurus for everything on the "home port" side of things.
I am in fact out of SSC, and I know the Tartan 33 you passed on. Where did you end up storing the boat? Safe Harbor?
 

JP in Sandusky

E38 on Lake Erie
I am in fact out of SSC. Where did you end up storing the boat? Safe Harbor?
For this winter, Moon Shadow has been stored at RCR in Buffalo, NY. We lifted her off the truck directly onto her cradle. I just finished covering her last week. (I might post some photos of that little project. Using waxed tarps was rather interesting for a rookie.)

I am uncertain where we will keep the boat in the winters once we get to Sandusky next spring. Safe Harbor seems like the "easy button" solution, but I am hoping to hear about some more options from folks. Please send me a PM if you have some ideas.

I wish we had spent more time at SSC this year. We are a 4 hour drive, so without a boat to overnight on, it felt expensive in time and money to visit. Next year!
 
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