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New Whale Gusher Titan and 1.5" Bilge Hose

Kenneth K

1985 32-3, Puget Sound
Blogs Author
Just installed a new Whale Gusher manual bilge pump and a new 1.5" bilge hose to serve it. The original aluminum pump never worked since I got the boat, and I could see no use in rebuilding a pump that corrodes in salt water. I also couldn't stomach re-using the original, 40 y/o corrugated 1.5" bilge hose that was attached to the pump and running under the TAFG.

First, removing the old hose was a bit of a hassle. I had read speculation that the hose is zip-tied to the TAFG liner and is almost non-removable, but I found this wasn't the case. The difficulty in removing mine came from the hose corrugations snagging on the edge of the very small TAFG-liner exit hole and the sharp 90 bend the hose made to exit the liner. Once worked past this snag point, the hose pulled out easily. After the hose was out, I cut a larger exit slot in the TAFG liner using hole and oscillating saws.
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The process of pulling the new was probably the hardest part. I borrowed an idea I saw here about slitting/collapsing the leading edge of the hose to help it pull through. Then I tensioned the pull-rope while pushing the new hose up through the bilge access area. Despite the pull rope having the same routing as the original hose, both times I pulled the hose through it wound up on the wrong of the engine ventilation duct (i.e., alongside the rudder post rather than under the starboard-ish exit slot).
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By the third try, I decided to feed the hose in the other direction, starting at the stern, and pulling towards the bilge pocket. The third time was finally a success.

Installation of the new pump was more straightforward. As others have mentioned, Whale changed the mounting hole pattern, so I had to drill 6 new mounting holes and seal off the original holes (most of which end up hidden behind the pump cover-plate).
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I still need to run the exit-line hose and make the final connections. While I'm working under there, the corrugated hoses for the scuppers will get replaced too. Surprisingly, I haven't seen any cracks/splits in the old hose I've removed. It's all very stiff however, and there's no doubt it's overdue for replacement.
 
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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Surprisingly, I haven't seen any cracks/splits in the old hose I've removed. It's all very stiff however, and there's no doubt it's overdue for replacement.
When I removed all of our OEM hoses, they were also brittle and in need of replacement. The new hose material seems a lot more durable, but of course I will not really know for a decade.
Further, the old hoses in your photos have glued-on cuffs, and I have been told for years by yard guys to replace that style of hose construction. Modern ones are smooth bore, and double-clamp strongly.
 

Norwester

Member II
Hi @Kenneth K ,
Some questions regarding the replacement of your old and brittle bilge hose you completed back in May.
- Any other lessons learned? Sounds like PULL from lowest point and push from engine bay.
-Why two lines (blue and yellow?) one attached fore & the other after end of the tube?
- Which hose did you use and where was it sourced? Fisheries has the following:
and SEAMAR:

Oh... you may have turned this thread into a blog post (I haven't seen it) with more details?
glued-on cuffs
As Loren observed...what was the result of the cuffs in final product attachment(s)?
Thanks in advance for input.
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What did you once write... "once in the (bilge...any boat location)...stay working there... :) (NOTE, watch for bilge/sump questions soon following).
 

Kenneth K

1985 32-3, Puget Sound
Blogs Author
- Sounds like PULL from lowest point and push from engine bay.
- Why two lines (blue and yellow?) one attached fore & the other after end of the tube?
You PUSH from the last open bilge compartment you have access to before the hose goes under the engine compartment, and you PULL from where the fish-line exits the TAFG in the stern.
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The blue line is the pull line, attached to the hose. The yellow line is the fish-line (pulled through by the old hose during removal). The yellow line runs through the new hose, but is not attached to it at any point. That way, if the blue pull-line tears through the end of the hose and you have to pull the hose out from behind, you still have the fish-line in place for your second try.

- Which hose did you use and where was it sourced? Fisheries has the following:
I used Series 147 heavy duty hose. The 147 hose has a spiral built in but has a uniform wall thickness. The lighter duty Series 141/144 hoses have a thinner sidewall that is protected by a thicker spiraled portion.
 
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