New (to me) E27 in Sausalito

[Milagros]

Greetings! I'm the new owner of the E27 "Milagros" in Sausalito. Built 1976, Helm steering and repowered in 2010 with a beta marine 20hp diesel. Got some stuff to do before she's fit to go to sea (cutlass bearing, raw water through-hull, standing rigging) but the hull is sound and the engine runs like a top. Anybody here at Richardson Bay Marina (formerly Kappa's)? See you on the water! Ian

 

[1911tex]

SMILE !

 

[Loren Beach]

Great design... Great diesel engine...
Congrats!!
Welcome to the Viking realm.

 

[Filkee]

No, but I grew up in Strawberry. Welcome to the Viking gang.

 

[dofthesea]

Nice to see another 27' in the bay

 

[ibarreto]

Hi guys, I just bought a 1975 E27 and I plan to use only an outboard motor (9HP) instead of the inboard. Does anyone here do the same?
Also how did you deal with the bilge pump? Did you place it all the way on the bottom of the deep bilge?
Thanks for the help!

 

[dofthesea]

I have a Yamaha 9.9. high thrust in a factory OB cutout. Is your boat an OB model or are you hanging the motor from bracket? I installed an electronic bilge pump in the deep well and it also has a manual whale gusher as well in the deep well.

 

[ibarreto]

Thanks @dofthesea ! I mounted the OB on a bracket on the transom. Mine is the wheel version with 2 cockpits.
Can I ask how you set up the cockpit drains? On my boat the port ones go to the sink drain and the starboard ones have a dedicated below the water seacock. I don't think this is ideal, I'd like the cockpit drain to go straight to an exit on the hull and out. Has anyone dealt with these drains?

 

[JPS27]

My 1977 E27 has 3 through hulls in the galley sink area. Raw water pick up (furthest aft), cockpit drain (the two port cockpit drains "t" into a line to the middle TH), and a sink through hull. All through hull cut outs look original to me. Here are two pictures of when I was replacing 4 of the 7 through hulls on my boat a couple of years back. This discussion board walked me through the process. I plan on updating the remaining TH's soon.

 

[Milagros]

I have much the same set up bilge-wise as @dofthesea, my electric bilge pump is mounted to a small piece of tile at the end of a length of PVC pipe so it can be lowered in and taken out easily. My port-side cockpit drain shares the sink through-hull. I agree it's not ideal but its pretty far down on my list of things to look at. Although I need to do my raw-water through hull so if its hauled already I might consider updating. As for the outboard, I'm not sure whether you have the motor/bracket already mounted but if you have the option a long shaft OB is better. Where are you home ported?

 

[ibarreto]

Thanks a lot @Milagros and @JPS27 ! Mine is like Milagros' : 2 TH on the port side with the drains sharing the sink one. Since I don't have an inboard engine, I will send the 4 cockpit drains to the exhaust port on the transom. I'll get rid of the raw water TH on the port side and the starboard TH (for the cockpit drains). I got a long shaft Nissan 9.8 and a 6 HP long shaft Tohatsu as backup. The bracket is already installed and works very well so far.
Thanks for the feedback this forum will be very useful!
take care

 

[paul's project]

Hi guys, I just bought a 1975 E27 and I plan to use only an outboard motor (9HP) instead of the inboard. Does anyone here do the same?
Also how did you deal with the bilge pump? Did you place it all the way on the bottom of the deep bilge?
Thanks for the help!

Hi ibarreto,
As a novice sailor, I picked up a '75 fixer E27 about a year ago and I'm just now completing the restortion. This has been a really fun project for me but I probably will never get my money out of it (not that it matters). I did buy it on the cheap with much of the heavy restoration work already done - and I cut a lot of cost by doing most of the detail work here at my home dock here in Bel Marin Keys. I opted for the Tohatsu 20HP mostly because I wanted a hydraulic lift and elect start and also wanted more maneuverability in tight marinas. Among many other improvements, I completely rewired both the AC and DC systems and placed the new electric bilge pump in the deep bilge where the whale pump hose also originates.
Love to trade some restoration pics with you and other E27 owners sometime.

Paul

 

[ibarreto]

Hi Paul! Seems like we're literally on the same boat! send me an email ignacio at ignacio com
Mine is now out of the water at the Grand Marina boat yard in Alameda. They painted the bottom and I closed 3 thru hulls (I just need the sink and the 2 for the head). I directed all cockpit drains to the old exhaust port on the transom but it might not be low enough and we would have to drill another one at a lower level.
I'm also replacing the stays and shrouds, cleaning the mast and replacing almost all shears/blocks/cleats for the running rigging. I'm also getting a roller furler and new jib.
The boat is solid overall but my only big concern is the cabin ceiling which is soft in several spots indicating infiltration. On the top deck it's solid (no delamination) but inside it doesn't look good around the ports and under the deck winch and cleats. Not sure what to do here maybe one area at a time cutting the ceiling, redoing the core and epoxing it back.
I got this Simrad charplotter/depth and it comes with a transom/in hull transducer. They say you can use Sika to put in place inside the hull wonder if anyone ever tried it.
I'm curious to see your motor bracket, I'm still looking for a good solution.
I'll post some pics later. take care

 

[Mark F]

Hi ibarreto,
There is probably nothing wrong with your cabin ceiling (headliner). It is a separate piece that is (mostly) not attached to the deck above. If as you say the cabintop deck is solid you should be fine.

 

[ibarreto]

Thank you Mark! That is a fantastic information haha! I noticed that in some spots the headliner is tight against the top deck so I thought that all of it should be the same but it makes sense, it looks like a big piece of fiberglass that was screwed in place.

 

[paul's project]

Just added a new dodger to my passion project. Happy with the design, function and the look.
Might do a furler or some single hand lines aft next.

 

[ibarreto]

Just added a new dodger to my passion project. Happy with the design, function and the look.
Might do a furler or some single hand lines aft next.

Hi Paul, you're in the Bay Area right? Who made your dodger? It looks fantastic! I like the horizontal handle on the corners.

 

[paul's project]

I found a used dodger frame online for 50 bucks and modified it on my garage floor, adding all the vertical and horizontal grab bars and mounting hardware.
The champagne sisters (yep, that's really their last name) at Land or Sea in Loch Lomond did an excellent job on all the custom canvas work including a single wrap around, snap on canvas window protection cover, a cover for the slider and the companionway and modification of the existing full boat cover to fit around the new dodger.
The dodger is attached to the frame with zippers and can easily be removed. The frame is attached to the boat with 6 pull pins and even that can be removed if I ever want to.

 

[Milagros]

I found a used dodger frame online for 50 bucks and modified it on my garage floor, adding all the vertical and horizontal grab bars and mounting hardware.
The champagne sisters (yep, that's really their last name) at Land or Sea in Loch Lomond did an excellent job on all the custom canvas work including a single wrap around, snap on canvas window protection cover, a cover for the slider and the companionway and modification of the existing full boat cover to fit around the new dodger.
The dodger is attached to the frame with zippers and can easily be removed. The frame is attached to the boat with 6 pull pins and even that can be removed if I ever want to.

That looks really great! I love the corner seats too!

 

[markvone]

I got this Simrad charplotter/depth and it comes with a transom/in hull transducer. They say you can use Sika to put in place inside the hull wonder if anyone ever tried it.

My original Signet depth sounder transducer (a standard Airmar transducer) is stuck to the inside of of a flat spot on the hull with clear silicon caulk.
It has always been that way. I just redid the silicon a couple of years ago.
The depth sounder has always worked fine.
This saves a hole in the hull.

Mark