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Ericson 41 Florida - Norway

sveinutne

Member III
Hi Gareth Harris,
Your survey from 2004 is very informative. I have decided to lift her out of the water and have the hull inspected for any damage.
Then I think I will keep her on dry land until she is in prime condition.
If you have any recommendation on how to repair this micro cracks you think she might have received, it would help. Maybe the best will be to give her a whole new layer of coating?
Also to repair the soft spots and then put on new friction padding on the deck, or what do you recommend?
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gareth harris

Sustaining Member
I do not live in Tampa, I have just been there with work, but if you want to talk to any locals try the 'Southeast and Gulf Coast' section, there are some extremely knowledgble contributors from the Tampa area.

With respect to the deck, what I would do for a long term solutiion is peel up the non skid, repair any soft spots, and then use a non skid paint. Painted non skid lasts longer thn adhesive non skid, as the sun acts as a solvent to the adhesive (that will not be quite the problem in Norway that it is in Florida of course).

If you just need to repair some small areas of the non skid before sailing the Atlantic, the pictures suggest the seller may have made similar repairs and know what to use, probably something like this:

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=97319F

I have never used that myself, but it looks suitable.

I did not see amy structural damage at all to the hull or deck from the hurricane, although I did not see below the waterline. The possible cracks I spoke of were in the rigging, hairline cracks in the coated surface of fibreglass are not a problem.

With respect to the chainplates and hairline cracks, you do not want to run any risk of the mast coming down in a storm off Greenland, so unless the previous owner replaced them in 2005, I would replace the larger chain plates that hold the main shrouds to the top of the mast. Take the old chainplates to a machine shop in Tampa and ask them to make duplicates. Stainless steel is expensive these days (the Chinese buy a lot of it) so they may cost about $100 each. Stainless steel is quite brittle, so it is possible for them to be damaged without obvious sign, so I recommend replacing them just to be sure. The smaller chainplates, for the intermediate shrouds, I would inspect closely with a magnifying glass for any signs of cracks, and any sign of bending, and if they are OK then you can leave them.

I am assmuing the shrouds were replaced when the mast was repaired in 2005, in which case they should be OK.

Something I forgot to mention yesterday was cockpit drainage, a subject we have discussed here a lot in the past. Ericsons were designed for coastal use, and for ocean use you should add more and larger drains in case the cockpit fills from a wave breaking over the boat. Keeping a boat hauled out on land can be expensive, but as you say you will need to be out of the water for a while, during which you can inspect the through hulls and add extra drainage (if you are not familiar with such work, get a fibreglass expert to do it for you). You will almost certainly need to sand the hull and apply new bottom paint, which is an easy if messy job. You may want to ask boat owners in Trondheim what type of paint they use there, since the growth will be different to the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Also inspect the propeller shaft seal and cutless bearing before you go back into the water.

I hope you are familiar with the technical terms I am using, otherwise perhaps Sven can help - there must be a Norwegian name for shroud (as old as horned helmet, axe, and pillage), and pcitures must be available for cutless bearing, chainplate etc.

Gareth
Freyja E35 241 1972
 
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sveinutne

Member III
Thanks for your help,
After reading Weinstein’s Sea Story and what I now know about the condition of the boat, I am seriously checking ways of shipping the boat.
I am now checking ro/ro transport from Jacksonville. I will have to build a cradle for the boat and have a transport company to pick it up in Tampa and drive it to Jacksonville. This might be the cheapest, fastest and most convenient way of sending it. But I will have to fly to Tampa and build the cradle and stay there while they pick it up, just to be on the safe side. But I have never built a cradle before, so I will need to do some research into how it is done, or maybe there is already some cradles in Tampa I might buy? So much to check and so little time, but I love the boat just by looking at the nice lines.
 
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Sven

Seglare
I heard back from the Swedish Cruising Club ... they only have an E23 and an E28 registered. The E23 might be La Petite.

So, no E41.


-Sven
 

sveinutne

Member III
Thank you Sven,
I will keep searching for any E41 in Europe, but there might be some easy way of getting this CE approval when it is so old. All boats sold in Europe before 1995 is automatically CE approved. This strict CE regulation is only for newer boats, so if I am lucky and find some understanding in the bureaucracy and also show them how seaworthy the Ericson boats are, I hope the process might not be too time consuming.
 
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sveinutne

Member III
Things are not going as smooth as I was hoping. I wanted to insure the boat, but that was not so easy. They want a survey first and several documents, so it might take too long to get insurance. I do not want the boat to lay mooring for many weeks with no insurance, so now I have changed the plan, and want the boat out of the water as soon as possible, but first I need someone to build a cradle for it.
It has to be a very strong and safe cradle, so the boat can be picked up by a trucking company and moved to Jacksonville or Miami for shipment to Norway.
If any of you could give me a recommendation for someone that are able to build a good cradle for her in Tampa, it would be very good.
I have sent an email to Ed asking the same, but I guess he is still sleeping, but I hope he can give some advise when he wakes up.
 

Sven

Seglare
Things are not going as smooth as I was hoping. I wanted to insure the boat, but that was not so easy. They want a survey first and several documents, so it might take too long to get insurance.

We ran into a similar problem with Serendipity and ended up with Progressive Insurance as a stopgap. They limited loss coverage to $40K but gave us the liability coverage we needed. We did get a survey which confirmed our suspicion; the standing rigging has to be replaced. Once we get that work done we'll get full coverage from a company that offers a higher limit than $40K


-Sven
 

sveinutne

Member III
Thanks again Sven,
I contacted Serendipity, but they would not give insurance for only 14 days. They had a one year as the shortest period. I hope to have the cradle made in a week or 10 days, and when the boat is securely sitting in, I will call for road transport. When I am not going to sail home, this boat is not going to be as cheap as I first thought. First $10100 for the boat, then $9000 for ro/ro Jacksonville – Amsterdam and then $5000 Amsterdam-Trondheim. What the road transport Tampa – Jacksonville will be I do not know yet, but I expect $2000. And then $10000 in tax and vat in Norway. Plus and unknown amount for the cradle. So the boat will be closer to $40K. In Norway I will estimate such a boat in good condition would be $50000-$80000. But it is not in good condition, so I see I am not really doing a cope here, but I think I am getting a very special boat with some nice forms. If I have the only E-41 in all of Europe it real makes this boat special.
I am already in love with the boat, and I am almost glad I will get the chance to open the gear box myself and will see the condition of all the parts, and change what will be needed. I have no idea what I could expect to get a cradle for, but I hope $1000, but it might be $2000.

But the eleven sails might be worth something. So I am still pleased with the situation.
 
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Sven

Seglare
Svein,

Progressive told us we could cancel the insurance at any time but you probably have to pay for the full year up front and then get a pro-rated refund when/if you cancel.

Why would your tax be $10,000 ? Isn't the tax about the same as in Sweden; 25% or so, based on the purchase price ? Since we expect to have our E39-B in the Baltic I'd like to (not) know if that will cost us 100% in tax !!!!

Yes, she is a beautiful design and will be a beauty once you have her restored.

When you go see her make sure to bring your camera with a few GB of flash cards. I keep taking pictures all over the place and inside compartments that I can't even get my head in, that way I can "work" even when away from the boat.


-Sven
 

gareth harris

Sustaining Member
Sven - In the UK there is no import duty if you have lived in another country for more than a year - the intent of the law is to tax imports, not prevent people moving into the country and bringing their possessions, so there would be no tax on the boat. I would imagine the rest of the EU is the same.
 

gareth harris

Sustaining Member
First $10100 for the boat, then $9000 for ro/ro Jacksonville – Amsterdam and then $5000 Amsterdam-Trondheim. What the road transport Tampa – Jacksonville will be I do not know yet, but I expect $2000. And then $10000 in tax and vat in Norway. Plus and unknown amount for the cradle. So the boat will be closer to $40K. In Norway I will estimate such a boat in good condition would be $50000-$80000. But it is not in good condition, so I see I am not really doing a cope here, but I think I am getting a very special boat with some nice forms. If I have the only E-41 in all of Europe it real makes this boat special.

I would have expected the tax to be rated on the purchase price, would it really be 100% in Norway?

As for the cost, I think the E41 will be a very suitable boat for you. Ericsons move very well in light air, and I imagine there are some pretty flukey winds in the fjords. With the modifications we have discussed, she will also handle well if you want to sail to Tromso and get hit by severe weather.

When she was advertised for sale in 2004, the asking price was $49000, with the hurricane damage still to be repaired. I do not know how much she sold for, but I think you have still done well at the price you have paid.

Gareth
Freyja E35 241 1972
 
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sveinutne

Member III
The tax in Norway is only for the engine. 150 NOK per horse power or about 7500 NOK for 50 hp. It is about $1200. Then it is 25% vat on the purchase price and some for the transport. This is the unknown will they add $9K + $5K +$10K = $24K and then add 25% on this? About $6K. So then we have $6K + $1.2K = $7.2K.
Then we have the CE certificate. If I find another boat it will be almost no additional cost, but if I have to go through the certification process it is from $2 till $6K, so I just picked a number between 2 and 6, so it can be less the $10K, but it can also be more the $10K in total to pay before I can put her on water.
So there are lots of unknown here.
I have not gotten any recommendation for a person to build the cradle yet, so that is my main focus now. Also I might pay for one year insurance, but it feels wrong for only 14 days. The mast might be another problem. It is longer than the boat, so it will add to the total length of the shipment. If it is put diagonal it will still be longer, and this will add a lot to the shipment cost. I am considering sending it as a separate parcel, but need to find out more first.
 
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sveinutne

Member III
Svein,

Yes, she is a beautiful design and will be a beauty once you have her restored.

When you go see her make sure to bring your camera with a few GB of flash cards. I keep taking pictures all over the place and inside compartments that I can't even get my head in, that way I can "work" even when away from the boat.


-Sven

Sven,
You can be sure I will take a lot of pictures of her, like before and after pictures. I think your problem will be to find disk space for all of it.
 
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treilley

Sustaining Partner
As for transportation, I heave heard of cruisers sailing to Rhode Island and then being shipped from there to Europe which may be cheaper for you. And a little more of an adventure:)
 

HughHarv

Hugh
May not want a cradle...

FYI, The trucking company's that I talked to about moving an Ericson 39 didn't want the boat on my cradle. They cited concerns over the cradle shifting around, becoming loose and separating form the trailer, and also cited increased clear height for bridges, etc. On at least one boat transport ship, they didn't use a cradle either. Instead, they measured the boat and welded small columns to the ship deck in order to support the boat. I'd check into renting some boat stands from the marinas (on both ends) and avoid the cost of a constructing and hauling a separate cradle all that way. Good luck.
 

sveinutne

Member III
When I get the boat to Trondheim, I will need the cradle for winter storage. I have asked for an offer in steal, painted so it will last for many years, and with adjustable padding’s closes to the hull for extra protection. Plan to ship in a week to 10 days.
 
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sveinutne

Member III
Please,
I need some advice. I wanted to buy an outboard motor and a dingy and throw it in the sailboat before it was shipped from Florida, so I did that yesterday. The dingy was OK brand new 14 feet for $1000, but the outboard engine was from 1971. Almost like the sailboat, so I bought it partly because it was old and I thought it belongs to the boat.
The problem was that I had a very high limit on it, and someone was very interested in buying the motor, so the final price was $1625 for a 9.5 hp Evinrude from 1971. Then I started to feel bad about it. Maybe I was bidding against a collector, and this 1971 was very special for him. I did not mean to take it like that I just wanted an outboard motor. It could have been a Johnson for all I care. Also in Norway I can buy 20 hp Evinrude from 1995 for NOK 2000 or $300. So please tell me two things.
1. Is this 1971 a special collector edition?
2. Is there a way I can contact the next higher bidder?
Thanks
Svein
 
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Rob Hessenius

Inactive Member
Svein~

There is really no collectors value to a 71' 9.5 Evinrude. Maybe someone had a sentimental love with it and brought up childhood memories. There is no way for you to know who the second higgest bidder on Ebay. This info is only available to the seller.

Slow down and relax and everything will work out for you, but blindly rushing into things is not the way to do it.






1. Is this 1971 a special collector edition?
2. Is there a way I can contact the next higher bidder?:cartmann:
 

sveinutne

Member III
Hi Rob,
I guess you are right. Maybe I should have gone for a new four stroke in stead. But now I have a 1971 9.5 hp Evinrude in prime condition that might be as dignified as the boat.
 
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