Director98
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Currently have Barient 22's on my Ericson 29. Would like to upgrade to a self tailing winch. What would be the corresponding Lewmar and or Harken winch? Maybe with just a little more leverage?
Some quick research on the 'net seems to say that the size 22 Baronet is either 35 or 39 to 1 for a power ratio.Head sail.
Measure the OD of the proposed winch. Measure the bolt circle for the proposed winch. Measure the top and the underside of the combing where the washers and nuts will get installed. While the ones you are looking at might work with no difficulties, it's best to be sure.Thank you for the info. Just saw a pair of used 44st winches. Would this be too big for my boat (hard to maneuver around?)
Overkill for your boat, but if they fit they would be just fine. It would actually be pretty nice to be able to winch in your genoa with your pinkie!Thank you for the info. Just saw a pair of used 44st winches. Would this be too big for my boat (hard to maneuver around?)
I replaced mine with the same and put a 16ST on the cabin top for the main (none there before). If the price of new winches is daunting, and you're up for a little elbow grease, I found mine from a used boat shop in Maryland - Anchors and Oars. I had a GREAT experience with Josh. I also bought some deck organizers and clutches from him. He stood behind some things that weren't up to snuff (that was hard to tell from pictures) and sent me replacements. Put in a request if it's not in stock. His inventory will increase as he gets back into salvage when the weather warms.On my smaller E26, I upgraded the Lewmar 16 non-self tailers to Lewmar 30STs. That is bigger than I need for the #26, especially granting that it is a fractional rig.
Yes, I just did the same thing last week! I'd been hanging on to my 16s so I could use it to replace the anemic Lewmar 6 halyard winch. On the starboard side I now have the 2-speed Lewmar 16, two Lewmar DC-1 double rope clutches, and a new 4-sheave deck organizer. The Lewmar 16 has lots of power for getting my main luff tight and should do a great job on the cunningham. I've had the parts to do this for about a year and a half but no time to do it! So I finally got it installed next week and am itching to try it out.I replaced mine with the same and put a 16ST on the cabin top for the main (none there before).
Yep, I did the over-drill and fill routine also. Loren would be so proud of us as I know he is so fond of this technique, having done it 8,000 times or so on his obscenely perfect boat.I have all the old holes filled and new holes over-drilled, filled, and ready to go.
Looking good! I'm putting two double clutches in on that side, too. I'm also moving my main sheet to that side to use on the 16ST.Yes, I just did the same thing last week!
I removed the Schaefer 2 sheave and went with a Garhauer 2x2. Much less friction than the old Schaefer.Looking good! I'm putting two double clutches in on that side, too. I'm also moving my main sheet to that side to use on the 16ST.
Did you have the original 2x or 3x Schaefer deck organizer on that side?
I believe you are correct, Loren, and in that regard I think my placement leaves something to be desired. I did take this issue somewhat into account as I was laying it out, but my execution was flawed. For some reason I was overly concerned about moving the clutch bank too far outboard, granting the location of my deck organizer. But I should have moved those clutches more outboard than I did. (The winch could not be moved farther inboard than where I placed it.)One caveat about upgrading your clutches and winches. Be sure that you do not make the "mistake of symmetry"......
Note that the lead from the bank of clutch exits has to try to aim for the side of the winch that starts the line turn onto the drum. You want that winch side to be "aimed" at the center point of the clutch bank, so that no line lead is any further off to the side than necessary.
A lot of boat builders would place housetop winches in exactly the same place adjacent to the side of the hatch slide so that newbies would be impressed by the symmetry of the arrangement, even tho not proper for the line lead to the winch.
EY did this. While not a huge deal in the greater scheme of things it's easiest to "do it right the first time" when you are upgrading gear.
The winch locations, port and starboard, will not be symmetrical, and that's correct.
Here is a picture of one side, from my blog, and the old epoxy-plugged holes all went away when we repainted the deck.
O34 - New Housetop Winches & Clutches
The June-July project was to 1) replace the factory Lewmar ST30 winch on each side, 2) replace the out-of-production clutch stoppers on each side, and 3) move both winches aft toward the rear edge and move the clutch array back to make them a lot...ericsonyachts.org
Good reminders, Loren. I hopefully got mine right - I tried to lay them out with that consideration. Time will tell.Note that the lead from the bank of clutch exits has to try to aim for the side of the winch that starts the line turn onto the drum. You want that winch side to be "aimed" at the center point of the clutch bank, so that no line lead is any further off to the side than necessary.
Don't you also have the issue of the traveler mount if you go too far outboard? Mine is still on the companionway hood, but after seeing your layout, I'm now worried I'll have to move everything if I decide to upgrade my traveler.I did take this issue somewhat into account as I was laying it out, but my execution was flawed. For some reason I was overly concerned about moving the clutch bank too far outboard, granting the location of my deck organizer.
Thanks for posting this again, Christian. I'm so glad you posted this in my winch rebuild thread as I had no idea this was a thing. With the mounting holes being quite specific, it's important to get the orientation right. I'm confident I'll at least have this part right.And to complete the discussion of new winch installation, consider the proper orientation: Tangent of line to be at drive gear ("output gear")
True. But I still didn’t get it quite right.Don't you also have the issue of the traveler mount if you go too far outboard? Mine is still on the companionway hood, but after seeing your layout, I'm now worried I'll have to move everything if I decide to upgrade my traveler.