Wanted - Alcohol stove

Tin Kicker

Sustaining Member
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Mark -
I have an Origo 3000 and a 4300E. The 3000 is going in my boat and I'll sell you the 4300E.

The 4300E is the same as the 3000, but adds electric coils so it can be used on 110V when plugged in at the dock. It's missing one of the canisters but those aren't easy to find. You have my contact info if you want it and I don't have a set price so figure out what's fair.

This is the 4300 and the dirt will wash off.
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I'm giving Mark dibs since he's local and we know each other, but it'll be up for first-come if he doesn't want it.
 
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Tin Kicker

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Moderator
I also still have the propane stove you once said you wanted. While the 30+ may not have a vented propane locker, I've seen plenty of bottles simply bolted to the cockpit rail, sometimes with a sewn cover or in a plastic or fiberglass box that has a seat on top.
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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
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One trivia note about the electric/Origo countertop stoves -- some friends of ours that changed from sail to power bought a clean Bayliner 295 model -- stern drive with 454 Chevy-- , and this stove, relabeled, was the cooking apparatus. It did not work well on shore power, and oddly, only put out a small flame via the alcohol canister arrangement. There was no apparent problem we could see, but it really would not cook anything very well when out cruising for a weekend.

They wanted heat also, so spent the $$$ for the Wallace diesel countertop stove and heater unit. The whole install was rather involved but the result is lot of heat with the metal lid down in the heating position and plenty of heat for cooking when needed.
None of us could ever figure out why the old factory Bayliner cooktop was so bad, but then that company was known for cheapening most everything they did... !

If buying one of those models I would suggest trying it out to verify that the usual Origo burners were producing the expected heat.
(and then remove the high-amp electrical parts and used it as a regular model 3000 cook top. But that's just me.)
 

mjsouleman

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Moderator
Thanks Loren,

Below is an estimate for the Wallas DT cooktop and heater I recently got. Note it is way out of my league.

Nordic Dt Kit
Nordic Dt Diesel stove/heater with thermo control 1 ea 2,510.00 2,510.00T
1066 Hull lead-through 1 ea 95.00 95.00T
1028 Exhaust Tube SS 28mm (Made in USA) 8 ft 12.00 96.00T
1029 Exhaust Insulation 28mm (Made in USA) 8 ft 5.00 40.00T
1110 Pot Holders Nordic Dt, 85D 1 ea 140.00 140.00T
2027 Fuel tank, 10 L 1 ea 50.00 50.00T
Wallas Nordic Dt stove/heater with typical install kit -
also includes 13' fuel line, 13' of battery cable, DC
connector, thermo control panel & harness, installation
and operation manual.
2,931.00

Show Discount Boat Show Discount -10.00% -293.10
SHIP TO: SEATTLE-1726 10.10% 266.43

$2,904.33
 

Mark F

Contributing Partner
Blogs Author
Regarding CA and denatured alcohol, I've been able to get it from West Marine. You usually have to order it - if they get any in the store it goes fast. It may be different now but as of a year ago (after the ban) I was able to get it.
 

Alan Gomes

Sustaining Member
Regarding CA and denatured alcohol, I've been able to get it from West Marine. You usually have to order it - if they get any in the store it goes fast. It may be different now but as of a year ago (after the ban) I was able to get it.
That's interesting, Mark. You got my curiosity up, so I just called my local West Marine. I just hung up with a manager and got an earful about the trials and tribulations of them getting denatured alcohol. It's quite Byzantine. Here's what I was able to glean from the conversation; hopefully there isn't too much lost in the translation:

There was a period after the ban when WM could not get it at all. Period. They now are able to get it--sometimes. But the individual California stores cannot order it from their warehouse to be shipped to the local stores, nor can one store that doesn't have it request any from a nearby store that does.

It seems to work something like this: Their warehouse person in Watsonville, who is hazmat certified, is able to order it if he puts the order through as stove fuel and not as denatured alcohol, even though it's the identical product. (Of course this makes no sense, but this is what she told me.) Then, it shows up at the stores along with other items that normally come in on their pallets as a regular part of restocking their stores. But a store that runs out cannot order it specifically from the warehouse through their ordering system because it shows it is blocked as hazardous material, which only their warehouse has the authority to order and disburse. So the stores just get it when they get it, which she said is kind of hit or miss.

The reason a store that does have it can't transfer any of their stock to a store that needs it--as could be done with pretty much any other WM item--is that the person that would arrange the transfer would have to be hazmat certified, and they are not. What she can do, however, is call another store and ask them to hold it for a customer, who would pick it up in person. This is something the customer can do for him/herself as well, of course. So, if I were desperate for it, I could right now drive down to the Huntington Beach store (where they have 3 gallons) or the Marina Del Rey store (where they have 5) and buy it at $22/gallon.

However...when they do get it, she says that customers hoard it. So, she said not long ago they got in six of the one gallon containers through their normal pallet restocking and one customer pounced on it and bought five of them. She said this is common. So this would make reserving it important, since it could be gone by the time someone got there to buy it.

Meh. One can buy it in 5 gal. drums from Zoro, who has free shipping and at a price of about $15/gal. (vs. WM's $22/gal.--when you can get it). However, ever since the ban, if you try to buy it from Zorro, their site specifically says that shipping to California is prohibited. Zoro will ship to Nevada, of course. So if--hypothetically speaking--one happened to have cousins who live in Nevada that one would be visiting anyway, that would be another way of procuring said alcohol, in quantities large enough (and cheap enough) to last quite some time. Hypothetically speaking.
 

K2MSmith

Member III
I have been wondering about alcohol stoves as well, since I have a disconnected alcohol tank in the cockpit locker and it looks like my boat once had a stove which has since been removed. I am guessing there is a reason why alcohol stoves are out of fashion...:)
 

Slick470

Member III
I have been wondering about alcohol stoves as well, since I have a disconnected alcohol tank in the cockpit locker and it looks like my boat once had a stove which has since been removed. I am guessing there is a reason why alcohol stoves are out of fashion...:)
There is a big difference between unpressurized alcohol stoves like the Origo and pressurized ones. Alcohol burns with a very faint blue flame and it can be really hard to tell if it is lit in daylight. Supposedly, with the pressurized stoves, you could have a leak near the stove that then catches on fire, and you might not know it until something else catches too.
 

K2MSmith

Member III
There is a big difference between unpressurized alcohol stoves like the Origo and pressurized ones. Alcohol burns with a very faint blue flame and it can be really hard to tell if it is lit in daylight. Supposedly, with the pressurized stoves, you could have a leak near the stove that then catches on fire, and you might not know it until something else catches too.
OK, I am assuming then because I have a cylindrical tank low in the cockpit locker that mine but must have been the pressurized type ?
 

Slick470

Member III
OK, I am assuming then because I have a cylindrical tank low in the cockpit locker that mine but must have been the pressurized type ?
That would be my guess, there is also probably a hand pump of some kind to pressurize the tank. The unpressurized versions have canister like this directly under the "burner". You fill the canister through the hole and that is also where the fire is contained as the fuel wicks it's way up the wadding inside the can. Kinda like a big Zippo lighter. I would guess you can make the pressurized versions safe by replacing and maintaining any of the system seals. My guess is parts may be getting hard to find on those too.
 

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Tin Kicker

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Regarding CA and denatured alcohol, I've been able to get it from West Marine. You usually have to order it - if they get any in the store it goes fast. It may be different now but as of a year ago (after the ban) I was able to get it.

Walmart.com shows at least the Porter Ranch store has it right now as camp stove fuel for $32.99. You might also find it sold as a glass cleaner for $7.98/qt.
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Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
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Origo trivia: we always take the canisters out to refill them. And by chance I was at a local hardware store this afternoon, and priced a one gallon can of alcohol, at $19.99. This being here in PDX, probably does not help you too much.....
Store Description: "Klean Strip Denatured alcohol cleans glass and is used as a fuel for marine stoves."
Sounds 'bout right!
:)
 

mjsouleman

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I began this thread searching for a stove solution. Apparently, this is a topic many of us are interested in, with as many options as there are members. If I had all the money in the world I would purchase and have installed solar panels, updated my marine battery charger, re-wired all systems, including the DC panel, and then installed one of those nice electric stoves.

However, as with most things in life there are the want to have's and the like to have's. For simplicity of installing and maintaining and the recognition of all it's negative's including smells and low heat ratings, an outdated Origio is my decision.

I am looking forward to cooking spam and eggs in the morning and pan baked bread in the afternoon as I cruise the New England coast this Spring.

Next up - adding a shelf to the galley cabinet I'm building to hold an inexpensive diesel heater. This old man's bones need a little comfort.

Mark "Souleman" Soule
 

Christian Williams

E381 - Los Angeles
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Blogs Author
Did I miss a discussion* of adapting a propane or butane camp stove? Small fuel bottles, cheap, ought to work for occasional use.

(I have a personal prejudice against alcohol, probably because my mother was burned when the old open flame start-up tray spilled on her legs, and because I recall the smell, and the invisible flame.)

*I did miss it--Post #2
 

mjsouleman

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Moderator
Christian, This thread is double headed starting with inexpensive stove and heating options. The genesis is my move back to Mass. and expectation of 6 months of cold weather to keep Discovery 1. prevent engine freeze, 2. warm enough to visit, and 3. to keep moisture and mold down.

The options for a stove are as described in previous exchanges with Wabsco and Wallas diesel stove/heater combinations being the most expensive and electric stove being too complex and expensive for a $15,000 boat.

The heating option I am moving toward is diesel as I can tap into the fuel tank and let her run for weeks at a time without a visit and at little upfront cost.
An electric heater in my humble opinion is too dangerous to leave unattended.
 

Tin Kicker

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I'd be interested in how you got to "weeks" since a 2kw diesel heater drawing .169 gph would burn 20 gallons in 118 hours or 5.9 days? Maybe you have real info about how much somebody used to just keep the boat above freezing?
 

mjsouleman

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You're correct, weeks is not very accurate. :D I am looking at the following 5kw heater. the FAQ section states: 10L will last you more than 5 days at a lower rate.


Thanks for the catch
 
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