Ralph Hewitt
Member III
To flag 1982 E-38 in Nicaragua they want me to have proven papers that it was made in USA. How? Any ideas? Try to explain HIN to them is no good... next?
Prove Ericsons made in USA & Certificates of Origin
- Thread starter Ralph Hewitt
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Hi Ralph -
You're looking for a Certificate of Origin? We've had this happen a couple of times, but I don't believe there has ever been a satisfactory response to this question:
I'm not sure what to tell you other than you could try and have one generated by a service like this:
We could also provide some kind of a letter, but as an owners club, I'm not sure how much weight it would have. I think this is something of value (resolving this, I mean) as you are not the first person outside US waters to ask for one....
//sse
You're looking for a Certificate of Origin? We've had this happen a couple of times, but I don't believe there has ever been a satisfactory response to this question:
I'm not sure what to tell you other than you could try and have one generated by a service like this:
BOAT MCOs Boat Certificates of Origin
mcostore.com
We could also provide some kind of a letter, but as an owners club, I'm not sure how much weight it would have. I think this is something of value (resolving this, I mean) as you are not the first person outside US waters to ask for one....
//sse
Given that non-boater bureaucrats usually just want an answer that will not threaten their job, perhaps something solid-appearing like a rubbing of the HIN on the transom or from the other HIN place inside would help.
And then there was the (set aside for good reasons at the time) project by one of our site members to reproduce bronze cast builders plaques for Ericson-built boats, just like the factory ones in the late 80's.
I have actually seen one of those on a '90 O-34. Impressive and "yacht-y".... and it might also serve as additional proof when a official has a form with a box that *must* be checked off. After all, most of the boats from the 70's and 80's that are out cruising blue water are "orphans" nowadays.
(Not that same, but sorta kinda related to when I took in a copy of my DD214 to the local DMV to order up a "veteran" license plate set for my little truck; per their rules their person has to sign off that they laid eyes on that paper.
Couple of decades later I still have that plate set on my current truck. Over the years it has sometimes been a lucky charm.)
Question - is/was this boat USCG Documented in the past?
And then there was the (set aside for good reasons at the time) project by one of our site members to reproduce bronze cast builders plaques for Ericson-built boats, just like the factory ones in the late 80's.
I have actually seen one of those on a '90 O-34. Impressive and "yacht-y".... and it might also serve as additional proof when a official has a form with a box that *must* be checked off. After all, most of the boats from the 70's and 80's that are out cruising blue water are "orphans" nowadays.
(Not that same, but sorta kinda related to when I took in a copy of my DD214 to the local DMV to order up a "veteran" license plate set for my little truck; per their rules their person has to sign off that they laid eyes on that paper.
Couple of decades later I still have that plate set on my current truck. Over the years it has sometimes been a lucky charm.)
Question - is/was this boat USCG Documented in the past?
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Yes, if the boat has USCG documentation, I would think that would carry some weight (or used to at least)....
What they really want is a letter of build from the company that made the boat.
The US wants one of these for coast wise registration as part of Documentation.
We had one generated for both of our boats by Don Kohlman (Sp?) back when Ericson Yachts was still in buisness. Getting one now that fits the requirements might be very difficult.
USCG documentation if you have ever had it might work...
The US wants one of these for coast wise registration as part of Documentation.
We had one generated for both of our boats by Don Kohlman (Sp?) back when Ericson Yachts was still in buisness. Getting one now that fits the requirements might be very difficult.
USCG documentation if you have ever had it might work...
Saverio
Member III
Good evening to you all. In Italy, if you lose documents or have no documents or if you built the boat, you pay State Certified Naval Engineer (RINA), he issues you all the documentation to register your boat in the lists of the Coast Guard of the Italian State. Hello to everybody. Xavier
Ralph Hewitt
Member III
Sean, this is a BIG problem in Nicaragua..
Do you think you could write a legal looking document (Ericson or some letterhead) with a stamp of some kind, maybe get it notarized and send a copy to me. My HIN is ERY38X72M82H , BOAT was never documented.
Let me know, THANKS
nicaralph@gmail.com
Yeah......uhhhhh.....no. =)
Sorry Ralph, but the falsification of customs documentation is not something I can do. I used to move millions of dollars of broadcasting equipment around the world - so this is not the first time I've been asked. I have lots of first hand experience with seizures and sanctions arising from documentation that was cooked, and as a budding architect who will be registered and insured, it's something I really hold the line on.
What I can do is this: I've contacted the Greater Irvine Chamber of Commerce about the production of a Preferential Certificate of Origin for the entire line. I have no idea of this is something they would be willing to do, however I am hopeful. I am hoping to hear back from them this week or next, and will be happy to follow up on this issue to try and reach some kind of accommodation to help resolve the problem.
EricsonYachts.org could produce some kind of document that outlines the production, however typically customs officials are looking specifically for 'X' document - and in the case of CO's - that means having a chamber's stamp on it. In short, I think we're better off to stay above board, and go through channels to resolve this issue properly.
I'll get back to you (this thread) once I hear back from them, and then we can go from there.
//sse
As an owner in another post has recently been in contact with Gene Kohlman, perhaps as a group we could consider asking him if there is any way he could assist with a “letter of build evidence “ or something? A long shot I’m sure but maybe worth asking. I’ve always been frustrated that my USCG documentation says “unknown “ for “builder”. The mistress is documented though so apparently the USCG allows some loopholes in the process.
Update:
The Greater Irvine Chamber of Commerce has kicked this question to their customs documentation people who in turn are talking to their attorneys (and US Customs, I believe)...
I'm hoping that sometime next week we'll start to get some clarity on this issue and eventually a resolution that is workable for owners outside the US.
Stay tuned...
//sse
The Greater Irvine Chamber of Commerce has kicked this question to their customs documentation people who in turn are talking to their attorneys (and US Customs, I believe)...
I'm hoping that sometime next week we'll start to get some clarity on this issue and eventually a resolution that is workable for owners outside the US.
Stay tuned...
//sse
Update:
Have not heard anything back yet - and have forwarded a query to them asking for an update.
I will advise as soon as I hear from them.
//sse
Have not heard anything back yet - and have forwarded a query to them asking for an update.
I will advise as soon as I hear from them.
//sse
Update:
Just had another exchange with the Chamber of Commerce and they are working on it. I will need to review the entire history of Ericsons and come up with a comprehensive hull numbering schedule of production runs. I know this document used to exist on the site previously, however I will need to locate it now.
If anyone is familiar with this document (shows by model, dates of production and corresponding hull numbers) and/or the overall history of the hull number sequence, please advise to help from re-inventing the wheel. The document I will compile will also have the company history in it, so that info is needed as well (I have some of it, but will need to flesh it out).
//sse
Just had another exchange with the Chamber of Commerce and they are working on it. I will need to review the entire history of Ericsons and come up with a comprehensive hull numbering schedule of production runs. I know this document used to exist on the site previously, however I will need to locate it now.
If anyone is familiar with this document (shows by model, dates of production and corresponding hull numbers) and/or the overall history of the hull number sequence, please advise to help from re-inventing the wheel. The document I will compile will also have the company history in it, so that info is needed as well (I have some of it, but will need to flesh it out).
//sse
Update:
Just spoke with the General Counsel for the Irvine Chamber and it would appear that they are interested in helping our community come to a resolution on this issue. I need to draft the documentation mentioned in my post above and then kick it back over to him for review. The main documents I have that I will be using are shown below. There is some production information missing on some of the models, so I will work to flesh this out from other sources.
If anyone has any other reference documents or info on the production runs, please let me know. We will be keying in on the serial numbered hulls for simplicity, however will also mention those very early production runs that failed to have them.
In the end, we should be able to produce a CO or something very close to it that overseas owners can use in the registration of their hulls. This documentation along with a more complete history of the production runs will also be complied into some general documentation that should reduce the incidence of new owners asking about HINs, etc.
Stay tuned, and let me know if you have other documentation - I will need it this week.
//sse
Just spoke with the General Counsel for the Irvine Chamber and it would appear that they are interested in helping our community come to a resolution on this issue. I need to draft the documentation mentioned in my post above and then kick it back over to him for review. The main documents I have that I will be using are shown below. There is some production information missing on some of the models, so I will work to flesh this out from other sources.
If anyone has any other reference documents or info on the production runs, please let me know. We will be keying in on the serial numbered hulls for simplicity, however will also mention those very early production runs that failed to have them.
In the end, we should be able to produce a CO or something very close to it that overseas owners can use in the registration of their hulls. This documentation along with a more complete history of the production runs will also be complied into some general documentation that should reduce the incidence of new owners asking about HINs, etc.
Stay tuned, and let me know if you have other documentation - I will need it this week.
//sse
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Also... Gene Kohlmann has been contacted regarding data for this venture....
Rocinante33
Contributing Partner
Hi Sean,
I suggest adding, "Ron Holland" after the 33 as it is for the 36 II
Thanks or taking this project on! For all you do, You are a wonder!!!
Thank You!