captainjay
Junior Member
So I spent a solid 8 hour day with the surveyor today. A good six of them on the boat. So someone either talk me in or out of this thing.
Things that I was pretty sure needed attention (now I know they do):
Major Cleaning, Buffing & Waxing.
Running and Standing Rigging.
12 Volt Electrical Panel (original toggle switches).
110 Electrical Panel (crazy square D home panel a few outlets and a shore charger as well as a dead or about to be dead 110 fridge)
there is a separate 12 Volt fridge unit that is only 6 years old.
Bimini needs re sewn and new zippers.
Mainsail cover needs a few patches and new snaps around the mast.
Cables on steering quadrant need replaced.
Bottom needs done. Haul clean and paint last bottom job 2004 prior owner. I have seen pictures and it looked good then.
Log on the shaft needs replaced.
Kitchen counter and sink and faucet and stove look like *#(^$
Things I thought would be a problem and are:
The mast step is done, it is severely corroded and basically unsafe
The crazy steel cross members under the forward and aft bulkheads are corroded as well, the aft one is much worse than the forward one the flange on the hull bottom were it bolts to the keel is toast
The forward one will clean up and survive a while longer
Things I didn't catch the first time out:
The water tanks under the floor are weeping so they aren't long for this world
Every through hull is suspect this is unfortunate as they aren't as old as the boat but have had no maintenance over the last four or five years and most won't close ( have to write them off)
The one that really makes me mad, The two forward bulkheads have serious damage, both inner chain plates that attach to the bulkheads have been leaking for a while and there is rot on both sides. There is evidence of a former repair on the port side and serious delamination under the settee were the aforementioned metal cross member bolts through.
The bulkhead repair will require removing both settee's and laminating a new bulkhead (1/2 teak plywood over the old then retrimming it all out with new bolts for the chain plates)
I won't go into the various lights and switches and other little everyday BS that is wrong with the boat.
The good stuff:
A six year old motor that is in good shape.
A boat that sails well.
Serviceable main sail, and jib as well as a nearly new spinnaker.
The boat had the shaft, prop and cutlass bearing replaced in 2002.
It also had and additional 20 or so grand spent on it between 2001 and 2002 by the owner before last. I have gone through the receipts and with the exception of the motor and refrigeration most of that good will has been used up.
So here is were I am with the boat and the budget:
The boat is $18000.
It will likely cost $3000 to $4000 to do the rig.(including the new step).
It will cost me $3000 to do the bottom.
It will cost me $2000 to do the running rigging. (Lines blocks, Traveler)
It will cost me $1000 in materials and a lot of my time to do the repairs to the bulkheads and reconfigure the salon berths the right way, and refinish the interior.
It will cost me $1000 in material and a lot of my time to fix the electrical panels.
It will cost me $300 to replace the head and straighten out the plumbing there.
Steering quad will cost $500 in materials and my time.
Canvas repair $500
Shaft log $500 including labor to replace.
Through hulls $500 and my time.
Materials for counter, sink and faucets $500
New lights fans etc $500
Stove $1500
Water Tanks, steel cross members and floor repair? Hopefully Guy will chime in here)
Does the fiberglass liner under the floor provide any serious structure or can this be reconfigured?
Just because someone will ask. My skills include, fiberglass and gell coat repairs as well as lots of west system work.
I used to be a general contractor and finish carpenter in a former life. So the wood work doesn't scare me. I also have wired whole house and I have don't some pretty extensive wiring work on boats as well. I also work in the charter business and have good contacts for the things I can't handle.
So is the boat worth it the money and the time or should I move on? My guess is that I will end up north of $30000 and closer to $40000 with the repairs and that is before we get into wish lists and might as wells. Like solar panels and stereos and plotter oh my.
Jay
PS here is a link to the pictures for anyone that didn't see them in the other thread.
Things that I was pretty sure needed attention (now I know they do):
Major Cleaning, Buffing & Waxing.
Running and Standing Rigging.
12 Volt Electrical Panel (original toggle switches).
110 Electrical Panel (crazy square D home panel a few outlets and a shore charger as well as a dead or about to be dead 110 fridge)
there is a separate 12 Volt fridge unit that is only 6 years old.
Bimini needs re sewn and new zippers.
Mainsail cover needs a few patches and new snaps around the mast.
Cables on steering quadrant need replaced.
Bottom needs done. Haul clean and paint last bottom job 2004 prior owner. I have seen pictures and it looked good then.
Log on the shaft needs replaced.
Kitchen counter and sink and faucet and stove look like *#(^$
Things I thought would be a problem and are:
The mast step is done, it is severely corroded and basically unsafe
The crazy steel cross members under the forward and aft bulkheads are corroded as well, the aft one is much worse than the forward one the flange on the hull bottom were it bolts to the keel is toast
The forward one will clean up and survive a while longer
Things I didn't catch the first time out:
The water tanks under the floor are weeping so they aren't long for this world
Every through hull is suspect this is unfortunate as they aren't as old as the boat but have had no maintenance over the last four or five years and most won't close ( have to write them off)
The one that really makes me mad, The two forward bulkheads have serious damage, both inner chain plates that attach to the bulkheads have been leaking for a while and there is rot on both sides. There is evidence of a former repair on the port side and serious delamination under the settee were the aforementioned metal cross member bolts through.
The bulkhead repair will require removing both settee's and laminating a new bulkhead (1/2 teak plywood over the old then retrimming it all out with new bolts for the chain plates)
I won't go into the various lights and switches and other little everyday BS that is wrong with the boat.
The good stuff:
A six year old motor that is in good shape.
A boat that sails well.
Serviceable main sail, and jib as well as a nearly new spinnaker.
The boat had the shaft, prop and cutlass bearing replaced in 2002.
It also had and additional 20 or so grand spent on it between 2001 and 2002 by the owner before last. I have gone through the receipts and with the exception of the motor and refrigeration most of that good will has been used up.
So here is were I am with the boat and the budget:
The boat is $18000.
It will likely cost $3000 to $4000 to do the rig.(including the new step).
It will cost me $3000 to do the bottom.
It will cost me $2000 to do the running rigging. (Lines blocks, Traveler)
It will cost me $1000 in materials and a lot of my time to do the repairs to the bulkheads and reconfigure the salon berths the right way, and refinish the interior.
It will cost me $1000 in material and a lot of my time to fix the electrical panels.
It will cost me $300 to replace the head and straighten out the plumbing there.
Steering quad will cost $500 in materials and my time.
Canvas repair $500
Shaft log $500 including labor to replace.
Through hulls $500 and my time.
Materials for counter, sink and faucets $500
New lights fans etc $500
Stove $1500
Water Tanks, steel cross members and floor repair? Hopefully Guy will chime in here)
Does the fiberglass liner under the floor provide any serious structure or can this be reconfigured?
Just because someone will ask. My skills include, fiberglass and gell coat repairs as well as lots of west system work.
I used to be a general contractor and finish carpenter in a former life. So the wood work doesn't scare me. I also have wired whole house and I have don't some pretty extensive wiring work on boats as well. I also work in the charter business and have good contacts for the things I can't handle.
So is the boat worth it the money and the time or should I move on? My guess is that I will end up north of $30000 and closer to $40000 with the repairs and that is before we get into wish lists and might as wells. Like solar panels and stereos and plotter oh my.
Jay
PS here is a link to the pictures for anyone that didn't see them in the other thread.
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